• Most memorable modern BBS experience

    From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to All on Sat Apr 26 06:56:34 2025
    What was your most beautiful BBS
    experience in modern times—let's say,
    within the last 10 years or so? One
    where you'd say, "Good thing those old
    BBS dinosaurs are still around here
    and there!"

    I’ve had many truly amazing
    experiences...
    Like receiving great hardware donations
    from Snobsoft (my BBS) users. But the
    most recent event with my Australian BBS
    video (see Ads Section) is something I
    find particularly awesome right now. In
    the Australian video about SX-64 user
    Troy Duncan, I start off, among other
    things, with a music video from Men At
    Work ("Down Under"). And what does Troy
    tell me? The guitarist from Men At Work
    lives on his street! What an incredible
    coincidence.
    I'm still grinning about it.

    Alright, now it’s your turn! :D

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  • From BoraxMan@VERT/PHARCYDE to All on Sun Apr 27 02:11:30 2025
    On 2025-04-26, Snobsoft <VERT/PARTYBOW!Snobsoft@pharcyde.org> wrote:
    What was your most beautiful BBS
    experience in modern times—let's say,
    within the last 10 years or so? One
    where you'd say, "Good thing those old
    BBS dinosaurs are still around here
    and there!"

    I’ve had many truly amazing
    experiences...
    Like receiving great hardware donations
    from Snobsoft (my BBS) users. But the
    most recent event with my Australian BBS
    video (see Ads Section) is something I
    find particularly awesome right now. In
    the Australian video about SX-64 user
    Troy Duncan, I start off, among other
    things, with a music video from Men At
    Work ("Down Under"). And what does Troy
    tell me? The guitarist from Men At Work
    lives on his street! What an incredible
    coincidence.
    I'm still grinning about it.

    Alright, now it’s your turn! :D

    Nothing I can boast about like you, but I would say simply finding out
    they are still active, and that there is an active community. Being
    able to talk to SysOps, exchange information and learn. I didn't get
    too involved back when I first uses BBS's in the 90s, as I was young,
    still in school, so a bit wary about sending mail to random people.
    Stranger danger and all that, and I didn't want to run up bills...
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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to BoraxMan on Sun Apr 27 10:27:57 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experience
    By: BoraxMan to All on Sun Apr 27 2025 02:11:30

    I would say simply finding out they are still active, and that there is an active community...

    Awww, that was gonna be my reply. Oh well, ditto that!

    I didn't get too involved back when I first uses BBS's in the 90s, as I was young, still in school...

    I had been in to it since about '86-'87, in my 20s and on my own for the first time. The boards were a good source of info of what was going on around me. And as cool as it is to have BBSes still around, that local aspect doesn't exist anymore since every BBS is worldwoide these days. That's what I miss.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to BoraxMan on Sun Apr 27 12:51:57 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experience
    By: BoraxMan to All on Sun Apr 27 2025 02:11 am

    they are still active, and that there is an active community. Being
    able to talk to SysOps, exchange information and learn. I didn't get
    too involved back when I first uses BBS's in the 90s, as I was young,
    still in school, so a bit wary about sending mail to random people.
    Stranger danger and all that, and I didn't want to run up bills...


    i actually had a user who was a perv and trying to send young boys msgs
    in the doorgames. he didn't go far enough to make it reportable. i just got him kicked off most of the bbses.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Mon Apr 28 10:56:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experience
    By: BoraxMan to All on Sun Apr 27 2025 02:11 am

    they are still active, and that there is an active community. Being
    able to talk to SysOps, exchange information and learn. I didn't get
    too involved back when I first uses BBS's in the 90s, as I was young,
    still in school, so a bit wary about sending mail to random people.
    Stranger danger and all that, and I didn't want to run up bills...


    i actually had a user who was a perv and trying to send young boys msgs
    in the doorgames. he didn't go far enough to make it reportable. i
    just got him kicked off most of the bbses. ---


    Eesh! I do kind of wish I did engage more "socially" on BBS's back then. My focus was file sharing (yes, i did upload too!). I chatted once or twice, but most BBS's only had one line, and I thought FidoNet was a subscription service that cost money. I didn't properly research but I figured no one would do that for free. By the time I cottoned on, I had internet access anyway.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Mortar on Mon Apr 28 11:03:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS
    experience
    By: BoraxMan to All on Sun
    Apr 27 2025 02:11:30

    I would say simply finding out they are still active, and that there is an active community...

    Awww, that was gonna be my reply. Oh well, ditto that!

    I didn't get too involved back when I first uses BBS's in the 90s, as I was young, still in school...

    I had been in to it since about '86-'87, in my 20s and on my own for
    the first time. The boards were a good source of info of what was
    going on around me. And as cool as it is to have BBSes still around,
    that local aspect doesn't exist anymore since every BBS is worldwoide these days. That's what I miss.

    I remember once, can't remember which board, but I uploaded a file. The file was the DOS game Bananoid. I can't remember whether I was using Zmodem or Xmodem, but the file got uploaded with the filename "UPLOAD", which was obviously wrong. All subsequent files that anyone tried to upload, automatically got the name "UPLOAD", then it failed because there was already an
    existing file. I thought I broke the BBS!

    LAter at school, someone (me, a friend?) brought it up. They noticed it too! I told them the file was BANANOID.ZIP and I uploaded it. Anyway, one of them either had already, or that day, contacted the sysop, and they informed me there
    was a bug in the BBS software, just happened that I was the first to come accross it. I really thought I did something wrong.

    But iwas kind of cool to meet, and know, in real life, the same people that occupied your online spaces. I probably should have sent the sysop a message (I
    may have actually done that).

    That is what I kind of miss too. I've met interesting people online too in the internet age, and meet with them, but thats something arranged. Was just different with BBS's when they were local. You don't bump into people in real life who share the same online spaces.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Sun Apr 27 22:14:16 2025
    I remember once, can't remember which board, but I uploaded a file. The file was the DOS game Bananoid. I can't remember whether I was using Zmodem or Xmodem, but the file got uploaded with the filename "UPLOAD", which was obviously wrong. All subsequent files that anyone tried to upload, automatically got the name "UPLOAD", then it failed because there was already an
    existing file. I thought I broke the BBS!


    I liked Bananoid. I played it often on my dad's PC when I was a kid

    Nightfox

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  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to Mortar on Mon Apr 28 11:33:24 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experience
    By: Mortar to BoraxMan on Sun Apr 27 2025 10:27 am

    By: BoraxMan to All on Sun Apr 27
    2025 02:11:30

    I would say simply finding out
    they
    are still active, and that there
    is
    an active community...


    Finding Synchronet, where I'm
    of course writing right now, was
    also very cool for me. This is a
    really nice combination of
    old-school (as it's a BBS) and
    modern elements (like being able
    to post worldwide here, for example).


    And as cool as it is to
    have BBSes still around, that local
    aspect doesn't exist anymore since
    every BBS is worldwoide these days.
    That's what I miss.


    Yes, I miss the local aspect a lot
    too, even though that sounds like a
    contradiction to what I just wrote
    above. Hey, unfortunately, it's no
    longer 1985—we can't change that.
    Exactly—I also come from that BBS
    era.

    What I also would describe as a super
    cool moment for me was when
    The 8-Bit Guy suddenly showed up
    in my BBS.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to MORTAR on Mon Apr 28 19:09:58 2025
    Quoting Mortar to Boraxman <=-

    I had been in to it since about '86-'87, in my 20s and on my own for
    the first time. The boards were a good source of info of what was
    going on around me. And as cool as it is to have BBSes still around,
    that local aspect doesn't exist anymore since every BBS is worldwoide these days. That's what I miss.

    One of the local Spitfire boards used to have a summer get together
    with all of their users invited. It was fun to put faces to names!

    A barbeque with some assorted outdoor games and lots of story telling.

    Those were good times, however - water under the bridge.

    ... At least the doctors find me interesting...

    ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Mon Apr 28 18:24:43 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Mon Apr 28 2025 10:56 am

    Eesh! I do kind of wish I did engage more "socially" on BBS's back then. My focus was file sharing (yes, i did upload too!). I chatted once or twice, but most BBS's only had one line, and I thought FidoNet was a subscription

    those were good times back then. entirely differnet than what we have now.

    and with fidonet if you carried it you were expected to pay to recoup the cost of operation. ie long distance bills, phone bills. atleast in my area they wanted you to do that.
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  • From Noh Wai@VERT/TL-QWK to Snobsoft on Mon Apr 28 16:32:56 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experie
    By: Snobsoft to Mortar on Mon Apr 28 2025 11:33 am

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experience

    Mine would definitely have to be the first time that I managed to download a file from a BBS whose name has sadly been lost in the mists of time.

    At the time all I had was a 14.4 PCMCIA modem hooked up to a crippled laptop running DOS 6 from a floppy drive and a hard drive with >100 MB free. And I could only run it in the dead of night when my parents were fast asleep.

    But the realization that I could "reach out and grab something" at the age of 12, was absolutely nothing short of WONDEROUS. I remembered staring at that screen with my heartbeat going wild for quite some time as my brain grappled with the sheer possibilities.

    Being a lifelong nerd has its benefits, and that was one of them.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Snobsoft on Tue Apr 29 08:04:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS
    experience
    By: Mortar to BoraxMan on
    Sun Apr 27 2025 10:27 am

    By: BoraxMan to All
    on Sun Apr 27
    2025 02:11:30

    I would say simply finding out
    they
    are still active, and that there
    is
    an active community...


    Finding Synchronet, where I'm
    of course writing right now, was
    also very cool for me. This is a
    really nice combination of
    old-school (as it's a BBS) and
    modern elements (like being able
    to post worldwide here, for example).


    And as cool as it is to
    have BBSes still around, that local
    aspect doesn't exist anymore since
    every BBS is worldwoide these days.
    That's what I miss.


    Yes, I miss the local aspect a lot
    too, even though that sounds like a
    contradiction to what I just wrote
    above. Hey, unfortunately, it's no
    longer 1985we can't change that.
    ExactlyI also come from that BBS
    era.

    What I also would describe as a super
    cool moment for me was when
    The 8-Bit Guy suddenly showed up
    in my BBS.

    That was cool for 8-Bit Guy to make BBS's more known. To be honest, I think Usenet is the 'perfect' combination of old school technology and worldwide communication. Even a local NNTP server, combined with IRC maybe shared file area, still a bit better than the BBS, as you can use your own editor with a Usenet client. Granted, you can do that here to, if you download a QWK packet and use something like MultiMail, like I am now, but its additional steps that are not necessary. BBS's are great when they have been customised and give a unique experience, artistically and stylistically, but they solved a problem in a way which doesn't need to be solved that way, due to worldwide access to the Internet.

    It's still cool to use, but if I was to set up, for serious use, a local messaging system, NNTP would be it, not these FTN style nets.

    Its still nice to visit places like The Underworld and Xibalba, End of the Line BBS, Absinthe, The Quantum Portal and The Pharcyde, where communication meets style.


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  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to BoraxMan on Tue Apr 29 01:31:18 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experience
    By: BoraxMan to All on Sun Apr 27 2025 02:11 am

    I would say simply finding out
    they are still active, and that
    there
    is an active community. Being
    able to talk to SysOps, exchange
    information and learn. I didn't get
    too involved back when I first uses
    BBS's in the 90s, as I was young,
    still in school, so a bit wary about
    sending mail to random people.
    Stranger danger and all that, and I
    didn't want to run up bills...


    Basically, for me, it's fascinating
    to relive (because it’s not quite
    the same as it used to be) what it’s
    like to be a Sysop today. During my
    BBS days (from 1985 to around the
    early 90s), I was "just" a user,
    including on Snobsoft, which I now
    manage.

    Back then (at least I assume so—I
    wasn’t a Sysop), as well as today, you
    meet lots of nice and helpful people
    through it, which is very enjoyable.
    Maintaining the BBS, however, isn’t
    always that much fun (at least not for
    me). But not everything can be perfect.

    BTW: Initially, I didn’t want to be a
    Sysop after completing the project of
    bringing the BBS back online after
    almost 40 years of hiatus. Having
    invested two years of work into it, I
    was somewhat drained, and then Sysop
    with all the aforementioned tinkering?
    No—I didn’t really want that at first.
    But after some time of rejecting the
    idea, I quickly realized that the
    positive and interesting aspects
    outweighed the downsides. So I accepted
    that I’m now basically the Sysop
    (and nobody else wanted the role
    anyway).

    The interesting aspects included, for
    example, the fact that without the BBS
    project, I would never have landed in
    this BBS (Partybowl) or in Synchronet.
    I also find this very cool. No spam,
    and somehow you still get the feeling
    of genuine online freedom with an
    80s/90s vibe, etc. I also like the
    straightforward functionality (once
    you’ve adapted to it). The flashy
    modern internet isn’t necessarily
    faster.

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Snobsoft on Mon Apr 28 23:51:15 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experie
    By: Snobsoft to Mortar on Mon Apr 28 2025 11:33 am

    The 8-Bit Guy suddenly showed up
    in my BBS.

    He got on mine, but only once :).
    Agreed, kinda cool.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Tue Apr 29 22:44:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Mon Apr 28 2025 10:56 am

    Eesh! I do kind of wish I did engage more "socially" on BBS's back then. My focus was file sharing (yes, i did upload too!). I chatted once or twice, but most BBS's only had one line, and I thought FidoNet was a subscription

    those were good times back then. entirely differnet than what we have
    now.

    and with fidonet if you carried it you were expected to pay to recoup
    the cost of operation. ie long distance bills, phone bills. atleast in
    my area they wanted you to do that. ---

    Was it a different experience to what BBSs are now? In terms of the social stuff...


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Noh Wai on Tue Apr 29 22:51:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experie
    By: Snobsoft to Mortar on
    Mon Apr 28 2025 11:33 am

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experience

    Mine would definitely have to be the first time that I managed to
    download a file from a BBS whose name has sadly been lost in the mists
    of time.

    At the time all I had was a 14.4 PCMCIA modem hooked up to a crippled laptop running DOS 6 from a floppy drive and a hard drive with >100 MB free. And I could only run it in the dead of night when my parents were fast asleep.

    But the realization that I could "reach out and grab something" at the
    age of 12, was absolutely nothing short of WONDEROUS. I remembered
    staring at that screen with my heartbeat going wild for quite some time
    as my brain grappled with the sheer possibilities.

    Being a lifelong nerd has its benefits, and that was one of them.

    I wish I could remember the first file too. Before I started Telix,
    that file wasn't there, and when I exited, there it was! At 2400
    baud, downloads were slow, but the fact they could be done at all was
    quite special.

    One memory, not that good is my mum telling me that my Dad was trying
    to call from the Melbourne Cricket Ground to arrange a life back home
    after going to a football game, and not getting through. I had been
    on a BBS. More than one this causes issues with the phone line tied
    up.

    Call waiting kind of helped, kind of hurt. It stuffed up the call,
    but at least I could tell someone wanted to call.

    I do NOT miss that! Always having in the back of your mind that someone might really need to call, and cant get through because youre playing some door game, or chatting to a friend modem-to-modem.

    The funniest was hearing someone voice THROUGH the modem when they
    picked up the phone to make a call.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Snobsoft on Tue Apr 29 22:55:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS
    experience
    By: BoraxMan to All on Sun
    Apr 27 2025 02:11 am

    I would say simply finding out
    they are still active, and that
    there
    is an active community. Being
    able to talk to SysOps, exchange
    information and learn. I didn't get
    too involved back when I first uses
    BBS's in the 90s, as I was young,
    still in school, so a bit wary about
    sending mail to random people.
    Stranger danger and all that, and I
    didn't want to run up bills...


    Basically, for me, it's fascinating
    to relive (because it's not quite
    the same as it used to be) what it's
    like to be a Sysop today. During my
    BBS days (from 1985 to around the
    early 90s), I was "just" a user,
    including on Snobsoft, which I now
    manage.

    Back then (at least I assume soI
    wasn't a Sysop), as well as today, you
    meet lots of nice and helpful people
    through it, which is very enjoyable.
    Maintaining the BBS, however, isn't
    always that much fun (at least not for
    me). But not everything can be perfect.

    BTW: Initially, I didn't want to be a
    Sysop after completing the project of
    bringing the BBS back online after
    almost 40 years of hiatus. Having
    invested two years of work into it, I
    was somewhat drained, and then Sysop
    with all the aforementioned tinkering?
    NoI didn't really want that at first.
    But after some time of rejecting the
    idea, I quickly realized that the
    positive and interesting aspects
    outweighed the downsides. So I accepted
    that I'm now basically the Sysop
    (and nobody else wanted the role
    anyway).

    The interesting aspects included, for
    example, the fact that without the BBS
    project, I would never have landed in
    this BBS (Partybowl) or in Synchronet.
    I also find this very cool. No spam,
    and somehow you still get the feeling
    of genuine online freedom with an
    80s/90s vibe, etc. I also like the
    straightforward functionality (once
    you've adapted to it). The flashy
    modern internet isn't necessarily
    faster.

    I did play with Mystic BBS, the the idea of creating a space for an
    inner circle, but it never caught on, despite it actually being
    someone elses idea (they never used it). Synchronet didn't meet my
    use needs. I didn't bother making it public because no one would go,
    and I didn't have the artistic flair and inclination to make it really
    special. If there was demand, I would, but there isn't. It's still
    there, just inactive.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Tue Apr 29 08:58:03 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Noh Wai on Tue Apr 29 2025 10:51 pm

    One memory, not that good is my mum telling me that my Dad was trying to call from the Melbourne Cricket Ground to arrange a life back home after going to a football game, and not getting through. I had been on a BBS. More than one this causes issues with the phone line tied up.

    Call waiting kind of helped, kind of hurt. It stuffed up the call, but at least I could tell someone wanted to call.

    I do NOT miss that! Always having in the back of your mind that someone might really need to call, and cant get through because youre playing some door game, or chatting to a friend modem-to-modem.

    I was lucky in that my parents agreed to get a second phone line at home for my computer so that my modem & dialup use wouldn't tie up the main phone line. And I decided to make good use of it and started running a BBS.. I still remember the phone number of my original BBS in the 90s: 503-644-4722.

    Nightfox

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  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to MRO on Wed Apr 30 11:52:08 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Mon Apr 28 2025 06:24 pm

    and with fidonet if you carried it
    you
    were expected to pay to recoup the
    cost
    of operation. ie long distance
    bills,
    phone bills. atleast in my area they
    wanted you to do that.


    Regarding Fido, I was always "just"
    a user and saw it from the early
    1990s on as a kind of similarly
    cool continuation of the BBS era.
    I was into Fido until about 1995/96,
    and then the internet arrived.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Snobsoft on Wed Apr 30 13:14:37 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Snobsoft to MRO on Wed Apr 30 2025 11:52 am

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Mon Apr 28 2025 06:24 pm

    and with fidonet if you carried it you
    were expected to pay to recoup the cost
    of operation. ie long distance bills,
    phone bills. atleast in my area they wanted you to do that.


    Regarding Fido, I was always "just"
    a user and saw it from the early
    1990s on as a kind of similarly
    cool continuation of the BBS era.
    I was into Fido until about 1995/96, and then the internet arrived.

    why are you formatting your text like that?
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Wed Apr 30 08:30:00 2025
    Was it a different experience to what BBSs are now? In terms of the social stuff...

    There used to be a much more varied group of people to have discussions
    with. I can actually remember when you could tell what network message
    area you were in because the posters were different from one network to another. Now it is mostly the same group in multiple networks.


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  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to Noh Wai on Wed Apr 30 15:47:22 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experie
    By: Noh Wai to Snobsoft on Mon Apr 28 2025 04:32 pm

    Mine would definitely have to be the
    first time that I managed to
    download a
    file from a BBS whose name has sadly
    been lost in the mists of time.


    Okay - now that’s an interesting
    topic


    At the time all I had was a 14.4
    PCMCIA
    modem hooked up to a crippled laptop
    running DOS 6 from a floppy drive
    and a
    hard drive with >100 MB free. And I
    could only run it in the dead of
    night
    when my parents were fast asleep.

    But the realization that I could
    "reach
    out and grab something" at the age
    of
    12, was absolutely nothing short of
    WONDEROUS. I remembered staring at
    that
    screen with my heartbeat going wild
    for
    quite some time as my brain grappled
    with the sheer possibilities.

    Being a lifelong nerd has its
    benefits,
    and that was one of them.


    The question about the first
    download for me becomes more like
    asking about my "all-time favorite BBS
    moment." Hmm, that would have been at
    300 baud back in the 80s, and it was
    probably just a tiny file. Funny
    enough, I have barely any memories of
    that, even though I often remember many
    little details.

    I think the lack of memories from the
    300 baud days in the 1980s is probably
    because, for one, the phone costs were
    way too expensive here in Germany back
    then for download stuff. And secondly,
    I was such a spoiled brat who, in the
    1980s (C64 and later Amiga), got
    everything, uh, directly on "backup
    copies". No modem, etc download needed.

    But later (in the mid-90s PC-DOS-Days)
    I have a really cool moment in memory
    with the equally extremely cool
    Crosspoint software. Somehow, at a
    Point (?), you could request a file
    (cool DOS demo or an early amazing DOS
    version of the C64 emulator), and then
    I went online with my brand-new 56k
    modem and downloaded it. Although there
    were nasty download limits back then,
    which I had to bypass...

    Fun fact – I still have this 56k modem,
    now downgraded to 300 baud as a Snobsoft C64 BBS modem.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ PartyBowlBBS - partybowlbbs.ddns.net
  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dumas Walker on Thu May 1 08:02:00 2025
    Dumas Walker wrote to BORAXMAN <=-

    @MSGID: <68122AA9.68682.dove-gen@capcity2.synchro.net>
    @REPLY: <6810CC6D.64908.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Was it a different experience to what BBSs are now? In terms of the social stuff...

    There used to be a much more varied group of people to have discussions with. I can actually remember when you could tell what network message area you were in because the posters were different from one network to another. Now it is mostly the same group in multiple networks.

    I've noticed that with Usenet as well. I'll post on a variety of sections, then
    I'll see similar names up in Politics as I did in the Linux groups. I'm seeing now that Usenet is a much smaller world after all.

    Shame, as I would like to speak to a broad range of people. It seem Reddit has become THE big "discussion" forum, with a huge ranger of sub-reddits that you can join. But the website sucks balls bad and it seems to have a very "Liberal"
    bent and a bit of an echo chamber. Reddit Terminal Viewer makes reddit palatable. AT least its accessible easy over the phone. But there is something
    I don't like about ONE company having such control. The other discussion forums
    are good, but single purpose (ie, specifically about computers, or gaming). Maybe I'll check out Matrix.



    ... BoraxMan
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
    Synchronet MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.org
  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to Snobsoft on Wed Apr 30 20:13:12 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experie
    By: Snobsoft to Noh Wai on Wed Apr 30 2025 03:47 pm

    I think the lack of memories from the
    300 baud days in the 1980s is probably
    because, for one, the phone costs were
    way too expensive here in Germany back
    then for download stuff. And secondly,

    They were very expensive here in the US too. I had to explain to my wife every month why the phone bill (normally $30/month) was now running 500-600 $/month. For this reason, I have a very good memory of this period of time. (Downloading at 300 baud.)

    Starting the BBS up in Jan 1984 actually made my phone bills go down after that since now people were uploading files to me on their nickel.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Thu May 1 01:11:09 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am


    Shame, as I would like to speak to a broad range of people. It seem Reddit has become THE big "discussion" forum, with a huge ranger of sub-reddits that you can join. But the website sucks balls bad and it seems to have a very "Liberal"
    bent and a bit of an echo chamber. Reddit Terminal Viewer makes reddit palatable. AT least its accessible easy over the phone. But there is


    reddit is real shitty and it's mostly liberals. they also have bots that downvote people into oblivion . i havent seen that in a while, though.

    it's basically ahole liberal nazis.
    ---
    Synchronet ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to Boraxman on Thu May 1 03:12:34 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on Tue Apr 29 2025 08:04 am

    What I also would describe as a
    super
    cool moment for me was when
    The 8-Bit Guy suddenly showed
    up
    in my BBS.

    That was cool for 8-Bit Guy to make
    BBS's more known.


    Absolutely!


    To be honest, I
    think Usenet is the 'perfect'
    combination of old school technology
    and worldwide communication. Even a
    local NNTP server, combined with IRC
    maybe shared file area, still a bit
    better than the BBS, as you can use
    your own editor with a Usenet
    client.


    You're giving me ideas! They still exist? I'll definitely check them out. What would you recommend for getting (back) into it? A specific program?

    ---
    Synchronet PartyBowlBBS - partybowlbbs.ddns.net
  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to MRO on Thu May 1 03:15:39 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Snobsoft on Wed Apr 30 2025 01:14 pm

    why are you formatting your text
    like that?

    For my C64 :D

    ---
    Synchronet PartyBowlBBS - partybowlbbs.ddns.net
  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to Boraxman on Thu May 1 03:23:38 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on Tue Apr 29 2025 08:04 am

    Granted, you can do that here to, if
    you download a QWK packet and use
    something like MultiMail, like I am
    now, but its additional steps


    Yeah, the QWK stuff (I had almost forgotten about it until I found an option for it in the Partybowl BBS) was also really, really cool.

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  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to phigan on Thu May 1 04:24:17 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS
    By: phigan to Snobsoft on Mon Apr 28 2025 11:51 pm

    The 8-Bit Guy suddenly showed up
    in my BBS.

    He got on mine, but only once :).
    Agreed, kinda cool.

    Yeah, I don’t really expect him to show up again. At least he did something that 95 percent of the other visitors don’t do—he posted something. But the fact that other users nowadays are often just "one visit wonders" is nothing to be fooled about.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ PartyBowlBBS - partybowlbbs.ddns.net
  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to Bf2k+ on Thu May 1 07:03:38 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experie
    By: Bf2k+ to Snobsoft on Wed Apr 30 2025 08:13 pm

    I think the lack of memories from
    the
    300 baud days in the 1980s is
    probably
    because, for one, the phone costs
    were
    way too expensive here in Germany
    back
    then for download stuff. And
    secondly,


    They were very expensive here in the
    US too.


    Interesting. I always thought phone costs in the U.S. were very low.


    I had to explain to my wife
    every
    month why the phone bill (normally
    $30/month) was now running 500-600
    $/month. For this reason, I have a
    very good memory of this period of
    time. (Downloading at 300 baud.)

    Starting the BBS up in Jan 1984
    actually made my phone bills go down
    after that since now people were
    uploading files to me on their
    nickel.


    Yeah, that must have been a huge relief. You guys had a hefty bill.

    BTW: The then well-known Hamburg Sysop
    "Clinch" was in trouble by BBS costs (when he switched his BBS to access some external network). As far as I know, due to the extremely high costs, he even had to file for personal bankruptcy and lost his apartment. Back when things were still good for him, he was even featured in the once-renowned news magazine Der Spiegel over multiple pages. There, you could see Clinch’s Epson acoustic coupler, which was picked up by a robotic arm when someone called.
    The background — modifying the telephone network in Germany was strictly prohibited by the Bundespost at the time. This included operating a simple modem. We're talking about the 1980s.

    But I’m drifting off—where was I? Right, software stuff.

    When it came to software, I never had to worry about downloads in the 1980s. Things just appeared on my disks. :D
    Even in the first half of the 90s, downloads didn’t play a role for me. I was always in BBS just to chat and make connections.

    However, my very first major C64 software trading connection actually came through a BBS. That later turned into real-life friendships — some lasting to this day. Which, of course, belongs to the best moments of the BBS era — how could I forget that?

    For example, I still use the C64 terminal program Turbo Term by my close buddy Hanno Behrens to this day. The program is linked under each of my newer videos @the300baudguy.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ PartyBowlBBS - partybowlbbs.ddns.net
  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Snobsoft on Thu May 1 08:07:05 2025
    Snobsoft wrote to Boraxman <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on Tue Apr 29 2025 08:04 am

    Granted, you can do that here to, if
    you download a QWK packet and use
    something like MultiMail, like I am
    now, but its additional steps

    Yeah, the QWK stuff (I had almost forgotten about it until I found an option for it in the Partybowl BBS) was also really, really cool.

    Was? Still is.



    ... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    Synchronet Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Thu May 1 09:27:45 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am

    There used to be a much more varied group of people to have discussions
    with. I can actually remember when you could tell what network message
    area you were in because the posters were different from one network to
    another. Now it is mostly the same group in multiple networks.

    I've noticed that with Usenet as well. I'll post on a variety of sections, then
    I'll see similar names up in Politics as I did in the Linux groups. I'm seeing now that Usenet is a much smaller world after all.

    Yeah, I've noticed that. I see many of the same people post in all the BBS message networks I'm connected to.. though it seems some people post more in some places than in others.

    Reddit has become THE big "discussion" forum, with a huge ranger of sub-reddits that you can join. But the website sucks balls bad and it seems to have a very "Liberal"
    bent and a bit of an echo chamber. Reddit Terminal Viewer makes reddit

    I'm not familiar with Reddit Terminal Viewer.. I'll have to look that up.

    And one thing I've noticed on Reddit sometimes is that some users seem to refer to Reddit as "this app" - maybe they tend to use the smartphone app most of the time and think of it that way.. Really, Reddit is an internet site and of course, can be viewed with a web browser or their app.

    Nightfox

    ---
    Synchronet Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Loke@VERT/HDCBBS to Nightfox on Thu May 1 13:12:17 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Thu May 01 2025 09:27 am

    And one thing I've noticed on Reddit sometimes is that some users seem to refer to Reddit as "this app" - maybe they tend to use the smartphone app most of the time and think of it that way.. Really, Reddit is an internet site and of course, can be viewed with a web browser or their app.

    To be fair, Reddit does everything they can to pretend that the website doesn't exist. Whenever you dare to go their site, it's all "are you sure you want to use this terrible browser thing, why don't you download this mobile app so upi can't use an adblocker".

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Thu May 1 09:33:00 2025
    There used to be a much more varied group of people to have discussions with. I can actually remember when you could tell what network message area you were in because the posters were different from one network to another. Now it is mostly the same group in multiple networks.

    I've noticed that with Usenet as well. I'll post on a variety of sections, then
    I'll see similar names up in Politics as I did in the Linux groups. I'm seein
    now that Usenet is a much smaller world after all.

    The Usenet I really loved was the one where it seemed like folks from everywhere... often but not always colleges... were on there. I was about
    to be/fresh out of college during that time and there were always a lot of variety in discussions and viewpoints.

    Shame, as I would like to speak to a broad range of people. It seem Reddit ha
    become THE big "discussion" forum, with a huge ranger of sub-reddits that you can join. But the website sucks balls bad and it seems to have a very "Liberal"
    bent and a bit of an echo chamber. Reddit Terminal Viewer makes reddit palatable. AT least its accessible easy over the phone. But there is something
    I don't like about ONE company having such control. The other discussion forums
    are good, but single purpose (ie, specifically about computers, or gaming). Maybe I'll check out Matrix.

    Yeah, I don't like it as much when one company has control. As for the
    bent, that may depend on what groups you are reading but I am not too surprised.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Artificial intelligence is better than none.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Snobsoft on Thu May 1 14:19:00 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Snobsoft to MRO on Thu May 01 2025 03:15 am

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Snobsoft on Wed Apr 30 2025 01:14 pm

    why are you formatting your text like that?

    For my C64 :D


    your editor is fseditor on synchronet
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Loke on Thu May 1 12:56:05 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Loke to Nightfox on Thu May 01 2025 01:12 pm

    To be fair, Reddit does everything they can to pretend that the website doesn't exist. Whenever you dare to go their site, it's all "are you sure you want to use this terrible browser thing, why don't you download this mobile app so upi can't use an adblocker".

    Oh? I use their web site fairly often and have never seen that. And actually, when I started using Reddit, it looked like they had recently done a website re-design. It seemed like their web site was actually fairly well-supported.

    ---
    Synchronet Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Fri May 2 08:04:00 2025
    MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <6813107D.14968.dove-gen@bbses.info>
    @REPLY: <6812A46E.64923.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am


    Shame, as I would like to speak to a broad range of people. It seem Reddit has become THE big "discussion" forum, with a huge ranger of sub-reddits that you can join. But the website sucks balls bad and it seems to have a very "Liberal"
    bent and a bit of an echo chamber. Reddit Terminal Viewer makes reddit palatable. AT least its accessible easy over the phone. But there is


    reddit is real shitty and it's mostly liberals. they also have bots
    that downvote people into oblivion . i havent seen that in a while, though.

    it's basically ahole liberal nazis.

    The worst thing is, that Reddit is often one of the only good sources, or reasonable source of answers to questions. Google's search results are bad, DuckDuckGo not much better. IF you want something other than a slop site, its pretty much Reddit, and thats not great.

    Even worse, is when you browse on mobile, and you want to see a thread on getting a HP Laserjet printer to work, and Reddit will block the site saying its
    unreviewed content/18+, need to sign in.


    ... BoraxMan
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
    Synchronet MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.org
  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Snobsoft on Fri May 2 08:14:00 2025
    Snobsoft wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <68131EE2.876.dove-general@partybowlbbs.ddns.net>
    @REPLY: <6810040A.64898.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on
    Tue Apr 29 2025 08:04 am

    What I also would describe as a
    super
    cool moment for me was when
    The 8-Bit Guy suddenly showed
    up
    in my BBS.

    That was cool for 8-Bit Guy to make
    BBS's more known.


    Absolutely!


    To be honest, I
    think Usenet is the 'perfect'
    combination of old school technology
    and worldwide communication. Even a
    local NNTP server, combined with IRC
    maybe shared file area, still a bit
    better than the BBS, as you can use
    your own editor with a Usenet
    client.


    You're giving me ideas! They still exist? I'll definitely check them
    out. What would you recommend for getting (back) into it? A specific program?

    NNTP servers or IRC? Both still exist.

    For NNTP (Newsgroups), if you like graphical, Thunderbird still supports them (though sadly not the mobile version). Claws Mail does and I think Sylpheed as well. Pan works for Linux. For mobile you're a bit screwed there, sadly. I only found one for Android, but it was a buggy and ad driven.

    For command line, Linux, I use SLRN, but there is also rtin and trn.

    IRC, well mIRC was big for Windows. I use HexChat and Weechat. HexChat I think is avaiable on Windows?

    In terms of servers to connect to, I'm not at home, but if you are interested in some, I can send a list.

    For Usenet, I've signed up with
    https://eternal-september.org/

    They don't provide access to binaries groups. Many "Usenet" providers are geared towards binaries (ie, filesharing and privacy). They can get screwed because filesharing and piracy was abusing the Usenet system and hastened its demise. There are other NewGroup services, some BBS's run one. I think The Pharcyde and End of the Line do, which is a convienient way to access some of the BBS 'Nets. But I don't know of any other than Usenet itself which see much action.

    The D Language has a forum at forum.dlang.org, which can be accessed by a NewsReader as well as by Web. Its powered by DFeed, which is pretty good if only I could get it compiled on my machine. I used to browse that, as a hobby D Programmer.




    ... BoraxMan
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
    Synchronet MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.org
  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Snobsoft on Fri May 2 08:15:00 2025
    Snobsoft wrote to MRO <=-

    @MSGID: <68131F9B.877.dove-general@partybowlbbs.ddns.net>
    @REPLY: <6812688D.14961.dove-gen@bbses.info>
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Snobsoft on Wed
    Apr 30 2025 01:14 pm

    why are you formatting your text
    like that?

    For my C64 :D

    An actual real C64?

    You know, I think some of us (me at least!) would be joyed to see a photo of our post as displayed by the C64, especially if you're using a CRT display.


    ... BoraxMan
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
    Synchronet MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.org
  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dumas Walker on Fri May 2 08:31:00 2025
    Dumas Walker wrote to BORAXMAN <=-

    @MSGID: <68138A64.68698.dove-gen@capcity2.synchro.net>
    @REPLY: <6812A46E.64923.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    There used to be a much more varied group of people to have discussions with. I can actually remember when you could tell what network message area you were in because the posters were different from one network to another. Now it is mostly the same group in multiple networks.

    I've noticed that with Usenet as well. I'll post on a variety of sections, then
    I'll see similar names up in Politics as I did in the Linux groups. I'm
    seein

    now that Usenet is a much smaller world after all.

    The Usenet I really loved was the one where it seemed like folks from everywhere... often but not always colleges... were on there. I was
    about to be/fresh out of college during that time and there were always
    a lot of variety in discussions and viewpoints.

    I missed most of that sadly. I always think I was born 10 years too late.

    Shame, as I would like to speak to a broad range of people. It seem Reddit
    ha

    become THE big "discussion" forum, with a huge ranger of sub-reddits that
    you
    can join. But the website sucks balls bad and it seems to have a very "Liberal"
    bent and a bit of an echo chamber. Reddit Terminal Viewer makes reddit palatable. AT least its accessible easy over the phone. But there is something
    I don't like about ONE company having such control. The other discussion forums
    are good, but single purpose (ie, specifically about computers, or gaming). Maybe I'll check out Matrix.

    Yeah, I don't like it as much when one company has control. As for the bent, that may depend on what groups you are reading but I am not too surprised.

    You will get that impression if you go to the Reddit "Front Page". Either Reddit boost fringe Left politics, or the site just leans that way. Some of the news subreddits seem an echo chamber with seemingly no diversity of opinion. It certainly doesn't reflect the real world and is very much a specific subset.




    ... BoraxMan
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
    Synchronet MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.org
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Thu May 1 21:06:21 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri May 02 2025 08:04 am

    The worst thing is, that Reddit is often one of the only good sources, or reasonable source of answers to questions. Google's search results are bad, DuckDuckGo not much better. IF you want something other than a slop site, its pretty much Reddit, and thats not great.

    The other day I Googled something, and one result was a Reddit thread with someone asking the question. Someone answered "Google it." (which was downvoted), and someone replied that Google led them to that Reddit thread.. :P

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    Synchronet Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Boraxman on Fri May 2 03:11:43 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am

    Maybe I'll check out Matrix.

    Personally, I think Matrix is best for just direct friends / family chats. Like a replacement for phone calls and SMSes. It's ok for small chat groups. Some people use it for larger chat gatherings like Discord, but I'm not a fan of Discord either, so maybe that gives me bias ;).

    Reddit Terminal Viewer is a new one on me, so I will have to look that up. Usually, though, I try not to sign in to Reddit in order to not be tempted to reply to a lot of the stupid that is on there. Plus, web forums are what killed BBSes, so I shake my fist at them (although Reddit is probably the best one).

    Usenet plus BBSes ... while there are certain users that you'll notice and hear from more than others, there is still a pretty good variety of people around and participating here and there. I say this frequenting BBSes of all the platforms (Amiga, Apple, Atari, Commodore, Macintosh, and PC).

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Snobsoft on Fri May 2 03:13:51 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Snobsoft to Boraxman on Thu May 01 2025 03:12 am

    You're giving me ideas! They still exist? I'll definitely check them out. Wh would you recommend for getting (back) into it? A specific program?

    There are clients for all of those things as doors/external programs on the Public Electronic Networked Information System (penisys.online:6502) if you want to check them out via text interface.

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Snobsoft on Fri May 2 03:19:53 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experi
    By: Snobsoft to Bf2k+ on Thu May 01 2025 07:03 am

    Interesting. I always thought phone costs in the U.S. were very low.

    It depends on where you live (the U, S, and A is pretty big). In some places, the local calling area was the entire city or more (state? maybe). But in other places, that local area was only a little chunk of a city, and it would be a long distance call to only a few miles away.

    More than likely, I would not have called any BBSes or other systems if I had to pay for it.

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Nightfox on Fri May 2 03:22:27 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Thu May 01 2025 09:27 am

    to Reddit as "this app" - maybe they tend to use the smartphone app most of time and think of it that way.. Really, Reddit is an internet site and of

    Falling For Reddit and RedReader are nice and minimal, way more aesthetically pleasing than the website.

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Boraxman on Fri May 2 03:26:45 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri May 02 2025 08:04 am

    The worst thing is, that Reddit is often one of the only good sources, or reasonable source of answers to questions. Google's search results are bad,

    http://imgur.com/a/Y0MSJDt

    jej.

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Boraxman on Fri May 2 03:44:16 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on Fri May 02 2025 08:15 am

    You know, I think some of us (me at least!) would be joyed to see a photo of our post as displayed by the C64, especially if you're using a CRT display.

    Would an Atari on an LCD be as welcome? ;)
    https://i.imgur.com/1Bg19iQ.jpeg

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  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to MRO on Fri May 2 02:32:02 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu May 01 2025 01:11 am

    reddit is real shitty and it's
    mostly
    liberals. they also have bots that
    downvote people into oblivion . i
    havent seen that in a while, though.
    it's basically ahole liberal nazis.

    What I really miss is the culture of discussion we had here in Germany back in the 80s and 90s (also in BBS, later Fido, and Usenet). I don't know how it was or is in the USA, but here, things have dramatically worsened over the last 10 to 5 years (especially since COVID) in terms of freedom of speech — particularly online. Nowadays, in Germany, even sharing a harsh joke (a meme) about a politician can be enough to get a house search.
    Unbelievable. Look up "Apollo News" and "Schwachkopf". This kind of treatment of government critics is something you'd expect only in dictatorships. Hey, the book 1984 was a warning, not an instruction manual.

    I've also noticed that the moderation in a Reddit group I'm in is terrible. But I don't waste my time getting worked up about it.

    Interesting that you used the term "liberal" above. I think it has a different meaning for you than it does here in Germany. Here, "liberal" is generally seen as positive—associated with freedom. The problem we're facing (as mentioned above) clearly comes from the side I would call pseudo- or lifestyle-left. It has nothing to do with the early leftists, who were always critical of authority and government. The once-renowned Spiegel magazine, which I already mentioned in this thread, is the best example. It used to be critical of the government— now it's just a mouthpiece for them. Government criticism? For Trump? Of course, all labeled as Nazis. Great speech of JD Vance in Munich. I think the overcompensation problem in Germany has never been as extreme as it is today.

    When it comes to crude jokes — check
    out the Joke Corner of the Snobsoft BBS (use a translator or something). There are some pretty harsh jokes from the 1980s. Exactly — I have a lot of content in the BBS from 1985 onward. The jokes aren’t always necessarily my type of humor — but it was good that people were allowed to make them — even about politicians. That should be a given in a democracy, nothing that needs to be a big discussion.

    Of course, people got annoyed at other BBS users back then too, disagreed with their opinions. But afterward, they'd go have a beer together in real life. Today, you’re often instantly treated as an enemy if you have the “wrong” opinion. It's terrible. Especially when it comes from the very people claiming to be "saving democracy." In reality, their suppression of dissenting opinions is the real threat to democracy.

    They probably don’t even understand the essence of democracy. Exactly — that means talking to one another, listening to different perspectives, thinking them over — and not canceling them.

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Snobsoft on Fri May 2 07:06:47 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Snobsoft to MRO on Fri May 02 2025 02:32 am

    What I really miss is the culture of discussion we had here in Germany back in the 80s
    and 90s (also in BBS, later Fido, and Usenet). I don't know how it was or is in the
    USA,

    I was stationed in Germany in the early 80's and what I liked was the Deutchlanders really only said what they meant. No "wells, ifs or what ifs".

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Fri May 2 07:30:18 2025
    Dumas Walker wrote to BORAXMAN <=-

    The Usenet I really loved was the one where it seemed like folks from everywhere... often but not always colleges... were on there. I was
    about to be/fresh out of college during that time and there were always
    a lot of variety in discussions and viewpoints.

    I hear you - there was a ba.* hierarchy with local San Francisco bay
    area topics, then I hit the comp.* hierarchy for work info - primarily comp.dcom as I was in telecommunications at the time.

    You'd get college grads and hardcore techies, a singles board where
    people planned meetups, then some music groups had fan newsgroups.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Boraxman on Fri May 2 07:30:18 2025
    Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-

    combination of old school technology
    and worldwide communication. Even a
    local NNTP server, combined with IRC
    maybe shared file area, still a bit
    better than the BBS, as you can use
    your own editor with a Usenet
    client.

    You're giving me ideas! They still exist? I'll definitely check them
    out. What would you recommend for getting (back) into it? A specific program?

    NNTP servers or IRC? Both still exist.

    Hint: Synchronet supports both NNTP and IRC. I played with them for a
    bit, but I like the old-school telnet/QWK experience.

    IRC, well mIRC was big for Windows. I use HexChat and Weechat.
    HexChat I think is avaiable on Windows?

    Yes, it is. I started using it a while ago, taking a break from mIRC.
    Apparently HexChat has been dropped by the maintainer and they're
    looking for someone to take up the reigns. :(


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to phigan on Fri May 2 07:30:18 2025
    phigan wrote to Snobsoft <=-

    It depends on where you live (the U, S, and A is pretty big). In some places, the local calling area was the entire city or more (state?
    maybe). But in other places, that local area was only a little chunk of
    a city, and it would be a long distance call to only a few miles away.

    It was worse than you describe. You'd have a local calling area, which
    was usually free calls limited to a couple of miles. You'd have a "local
    toll" area that was expensive to call and covered a much larger area,
    then long distance. LD ended up, because of competition, being cheaper
    than the local toll calls since they had a monopoly. Those local toll
    calls were where you hear about kids running up their parent's phone
    bill. I did that, calling a BBS one town over, but the next town past
    that, which was actually closer to me in some parts, was local toll.
    $170 was a lot of money back then!

    I had a project at work that had 2 firstclass servers calling each other
    every 15 minutes, 24 hours a day, every day because the person who set
    it up didn't understand store and forward mail systems. The systems were
    local toll calls and hideously expensive. I tried explaining the notion
    of crash messaging to the project manager, but he insisted - after all,
    it wasn't his budget.

    I got creative. I called the phone company and set up call forward busy
    service on one of the lines. Configured the call forward busy number to
    be the other system. Then, we told the first system to call *itself*, it
    got a busy signal, and call forwarded the call to the other end, at a
    *much* cheaper rate.

    The project manager didn't care, but I called it a win for the company.




    You could try routing a local toll call through an LD provider when you
    ran a phone system, and if the local Bell company heard about it, would
    cause a major stink.


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  • From Rixter@VERT/RICKSBBS to Snobsoft on Fri May 2 19:40:00 2025
    I like the organisation I have seen on Palantir BBS and The Fools Quarter BBS. I can tell a lot of time went into the menu design and ANSI work. They are pleasant to look at and concise in function.

    telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23
    http://ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080
    Madison,NC

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Nightfox on Sat May 3 11:40:00 2025
    Nightfox wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri
    May 02 2025 08:04 am

    The worst thing is, that Reddit is often one of the only good sources, or reasonable source of answers to questions. Google's search results are bad, DuckDuckGo not much better. IF you want something other than a slop site, its pretty much Reddit, and thats not great.

    The other day I Googled something, and one result was a Reddit thread
    with someone asking the question. Someone answered "Google it." (which was downvoted), and someone replied that Google led them to that Reddit thread.. :P

    That literally made me chortle out loud! You know, I'm pretty sure
    I've seen something similar on a forum too, where "google it" was met
    with someting along the lines of "it just takes me to this question".

    People treat Google (and now AI) like it is some oracle.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to phigan on Sat May 3 11:44:00 2025
    phigan wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on
    Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am

    Maybe I'll check out Matrix.

    Personally, I think Matrix is best for just direct friends / family
    chats. Like a replacement for phone calls and SMSes. It's ok for small chat groups. Some people use it for larger chat gatherings like
    Discord, but I'm not a fan of Discord either, so maybe that gives me
    bias ;).

    Reddit Terminal Viewer is a new one on me, so I will have to look that
    up. Usually, though, I try not to sign in to Reddit in order to not be tempted to reply to a lot of the stupid that is on there. Plus, web
    forums are what killed BBSes, so I shake my fist at them (although
    Reddit is probably the best one).

    Usenet plus BBSes ... while there are certain users that you'll notice
    and hear from more than others, there is still a pretty good variety of people around and participating here and there. I say this frequenting BBSes of all the platforms (Amiga, Apple, Atari, Commodore, Macintosh,
    and PC).

    Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install
    it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
    want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
    Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to
    use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one
    client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
    Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I
    can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly)
    used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think
    Yahoo! Chat account.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Boraxman on Sat May 3 11:55:00 2025
    phigan wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri
    May 02 2025 08:04 am

    The worst thing is, that Reddit is often one of the only good sources, or reasonable source of answers to questions. Google's search results are bad,

    http://imgur.com/a/Y0MSJDt

    You know you're old when you know what that port is. You know you're
    old and tragic, when you lament that your new computer doesn't have
    that port.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to phigan on Sat May 3 11:58:00 2025
    phigan wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on
    Fri May 02 2025 08:15 am

    You know, I think some of us (me at least!) would be joyed to see a photo of our post as displayed by the C64, especially if you're using a CRT display.

    Would an Atari on an LCD be as welcome? ;) https://i.imgur.com/1Bg19iQ.jpeg

    Very much so! Thanks!

    I could do the C64 myself, if only I were able to get it online.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Snobsoft on Sat May 3 12:00:00 2025
    Snobsoft wrote to MRO <=-

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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu
    May 01 2025 01:11 am

    reddit is real shitty and it's
    mostly
    liberals. they also have bots that
    downvote people into oblivion . i
    havent seen that in a while, though.
    it's basically ahole liberal nazis.

    What I really miss is the culture of discussion we had here in Germany back in the 80s and 90s (also in BBS, later Fido, and Usenet). I don't know how it was or is in the USA, but here, things have dramatically worsened over the last 10 to 5 years (especially since COVID) in terms
    of freedom of speech particularly online. Nowadays, in Germany, even sharing a harsh joke (a meme) about a politician can be enough to get a house search. Unbelievable. Look up "Apollo News" and "Schwachkopf".
    This kind of treatment of government critics is something you'd expect only in dictatorships. Hey, the book 1984 was a warning, not an instruction manual.

    I've also noticed that the moderation in a Reddit group I'm in is terrible. But I don't waste my time getting worked up about it.

    Interesting that you used the term "liberal" above. I think it has a different meaning for you than it does here in Germany. Here, "liberal"
    is generally seen as positiveassociated with freedom. The problem
    we're facing (as mentioned above) clearly comes from the side I would
    call pseudo- or lifestyle-left. It has nothing to do with the early leftists, who were always critical of authority and government. The once-renowned Spiegel magazine, which I already mentioned in this
    thread, is the best example. It used to be critical of the government
    now it's just a mouthpiece for them. Government criticism? For Trump?
    Of course, all labeled as Nazis. Great speech of JD Vance in Munich. I think the overcompensation problem in Germany has never been as extreme
    as it is today.

    When it comes to crude jokes check
    out the Joke Corner of the Snobsoft BBS (use a translator or
    something). There are some pretty harsh jokes from the 1980s. Exactly
    I have a lot of content in the BBS from 1985 onward. The jokes aren't always necessarily my type of humor but it was good that people were allowed to make them even about politicians. That should be a given
    in a democracy, nothing that needs to be a big discussion.

    Of course, people got annoyed at other BBS users back then too,
    disagreed with their opinions. But afterward, they'd go have a beer together in real life. Today, you're often instantly treated as an
    enemy if you have the "wrong" opinion. It's terrible. Especially when
    it comes from the very people claiming to be "saving democracy." In reality, their suppression of dissenting opinions is the real threat to democracy.

    They probably don't even understand the essence of democracy. Exactly that means talking to one another, listening to different perspectives, thinking them over and not canceling them.

    Unfortuantely, if my theory is correct (and its holding up so far),
    this was going to happen, the government has little choice about it
    and no one can fix it. It will get worse until there is a breaking
    point, at which things get UGLY.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 3 12:08:00 2025
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-

    combination of old school technology
    and worldwide communication. Even a
    local NNTP server, combined with IRC
    maybe shared file area, still a bit
    better than the BBS, as you can use
    your own editor with a Usenet
    client.

    You're giving me ideas! They still exist? I'll definitely check them
    out. What would you recommend for getting (back) into it? A specific program?

    NNTP servers or IRC? Both still exist.

    Hint: Synchronet supports both NNTP and IRC. I played with them for a
    bit, but I like the old-school telnet/QWK experience.

    Oh yeah, I recall that it does. Mystic I think does as well. Don't
    know why I forgot that.

    IRC, well mIRC was big for Windows. I use HexChat and Weechat.
    HexChat I think is avaiable on Windows?

    Yes, it is. I started using it a while ago, taking a break from mIRC.
    Apparently HexChat has been dropped by the maintainer and they're
    looking for someone to take up the reigns. :(

    OH, thats not good. Its a pretty good chat client, the best GUI one
    available for Linux. The github doesn't show any commits fro this
    year. Not necessarily a problem for finished software, but a little
    bit of a concern.

    Weechat, which is terminal based, still going.

    There are 540 forks of HexChat!

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Boraxman on Sat May 3 07:36:33 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to phigan on Sat May 03 2025 11:58 am

    I could do the C64 myself, if only I were able to get it online.

    It's pretty easy to make a userport wifi modem. I'd say I could send you a PCB but you could probably order 10 PCBs and have them shipped to you for cheaper than sending one would be... maybe... Then you just need an ESP8266 module.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Sat May 3 09:01:16 2025
    Boraxman wrote to phigan <=-

    You know, I think some of us (me at least!) would be joyed to see a photo of our post as displayed by the C64, especially if you're using a CRT display.

    Would an Atari on an LCD be as welcome? ;) https://i.imgur.com/1Bg19iQ.jpeg

    Very much so! Thanks!

    I could do the C64 myself, if only I were able to get it online.

    Easy enough, with a "wifi modem".

    I have one of these that I use occasionally, works great:

    https://www.cbmstuff.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_66&product_id=113

    It's often sold out, but there are others out there. You just connect
    to it with a serial cable, the retro computer thinks there's a modem
    attached. It communicates over the internet via your home wifi.



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  • From Rixter@VERT/RICKSBBS to Snobsoft on Sat May 3 13:08:23 2025
    What was your most beautiful BBS
    experience in modern timeslet's say,
    within the last 10 years or so? One
    where you'd say, "Good thing those old
    BBS dinosaurs are still around here
    and there!"

    I've had many truly amazing
    experiences...
    Like receiving great hardware donations
    from Snobsoft (my BBS) users. But the
    most recent event with my Australian BBS
    video (see Ads Section) is something I
    find particularly awesome right now. In
    the Australian video about SX-64 user
    Troy Duncan, I start off, among other
    things, with a music video from Men At
    Work ("Down Under"). And what does Troy
    tell me? The guitarist from Men At Work
    lives on his street! What an incredible
    coincidence.
    I'm still grinning about it.

    Alright, now it's your turn! :D

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    Thank you for a good post. I enjoy CJs place because the sysop there plays games with us. Xbit BBS is a great gaming place as well.

    telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23
    http://ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080
    Madison,NC

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sat May 3 10:11:00 2025
    The Usenet I really loved was the one where it seemed like folks from everywhere... often but not always colleges... were on there. I was about to be/fresh out of college during that time and there were always a lot of variety in discussions and viewpoints.

    I hear you - there was a ba.* hierarchy with local San Francisco bay
    area topics, then I hit the comp.* hierarchy for work info - primarily comp.dcom as I was in telecommunications at the time.

    Yeah, I was active on some of the comp.dcom groups as they were active.
    Sci. and rec. groups -- like rec.sports.college.football -- too. The
    football one was still active last I checked it a couple of years ago, but
    it was all mostly posts about politics. There would be some on-topic discussions Fri-Sun, before and after the games, but then back to politics.

    I tried to stay out of the alt. groups as they were more wild-west, but
    there were a few that were not bad and were the only ones on a particular
    topic of interest.

    You'd get college grads and hardcore techies, a singles board where
    people planned meetups, then some music groups had fan newsgroups.

    I didn't have as much luck with music group fan newsgroups, but did get on
    a good mailing list or two... one I remember in particular was called
    ECHOES and was a Pink Floyd fan group. Very active and good signal to
    noise ratio -- the mods were excellent. ;)


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  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to Arelor on Sun May 4 05:24:55 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Arelor to Snobsoft on Sat May 03 2025 05:59 pm

    I pretty much agree that so called
    advocates of freedom have become the
    ones who will slay it.


    Looks like it. And do they really not notice? From my perspective, it's so obvious what's happening - almost trivially clear.


    But what I really want to talk about
    is
    this:

    They probably don’t
    even
    understand the essence of
    democracy.
    Exactly —
    that means talking to one
    another,
    listening to different
    perspectives,
    thinking them over —
    and not
    canceling them.

    Actually, the essence of democracy
    is
    to allow big groups of people to
    force
    their policies on small groups of
    people without having to kill them.

    Yes, that's one way to see it. But then the question remains - what would be better? But you do write more about
    that further down.


    I am actually more impressed by the
    true original _organized_ democracy.
    It
    fell to the same essential defect,
    but
    it had the advantage of not being
    universal - you got to vote only if
    you
    met the minimum requisites. This
    basically meant the people who had
    to
    decide whether to go to war or not
    was
    the same people who would be funding
    the war effort from their pockets or
    who would be in the frontline.

    That is very interesting. Then, quite concretely, "Panzer Toni" from the German Greens (who have now become strictly conservative and pro-armament) who is erratically claiming to support "Ukraine until victory" should also head to the front himself. And I bet that he wouldn't be so loud-mouthed anymore. So, a good idea.
    What I also don't quite understand again: Anyone who can think clearly should know that 1) Ukraine cannot win and 2) only a third world war would change that. How delusional must one be to want to escalate such a conflict? Even Biden was aware of the danger of a third world war, and Trump is now doing the only right thing.

    And he gets corresponding bashing from the above mentioned German loudmouths, because for some reason they remain stuck in their absurd fantasy world, where one can defeat a nuclear power without setting the entire world on fire.

    Of course, one must also ignore the
    fact that, since 2014, half of the Ukrainian army had already initiated constant bombardment against Russian Donbas minorities (around 30,000 deaths), meaning that the conflict actually began much earlier. Naturally, the German propaganda media completely omit this. Likewise, the continuous
    NATO expansion, and the ignorance of Russian protests against it - including NATO bases in Ukraine.

    And yes, attacking a country is a violation of international law, which
    is what Russia did - something that superpowers often do. Look at the USA
    in Vietnam, etc. But the world is not simply black and white as in propaganda - and currently, for example, in the German mainstream media, who should be ashamed of their one-sided reporting.

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  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to Boraxman on Sun May 4 06:44:42 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on Fri May 02 2025 08:15 am

    why are you formatting your text
    like that?

    For my C64 :D

    An actual real C64?

    Sure :D



    You know, I think some of us (me at
    least!) would be joyed to see a
    photo
    of our post as displayed by the C64,
    especially if you're using a CRT
    display.

    Of course - I'd be happy to! I'll probably make a video about it. I'll check in here on Synchronet and let you know when it's available. It might take a little while, as I'm currently working on another project.

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  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to Boraxman on Sun May 4 07:26:41 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on Sat May 03 2025 12:00 pm

    Of course, people got annoyed
    at
    other BBS users back then too,
    disagreed with their opinions.
    But
    afterward, they'd go have a
    beer
    together in real life. Today,
    you're often instantly treated
    as
    an
    enemy if you have the "wrong"
    opinion. It's terrible.
    Especially
    when
    it comes from the very people
    claiming to be "saving
    democracy."
    In reality, their suppression
    of
    dissenting opinions is the real
    threat to democracy.

    They probably don't even
    understand the essence of
    democracy. Exactly ¡ that
    means
    talking to one another,
    listening
    to different perspectives,
    thinking them over ¡ and not
    canceling them.

    Unfortuantely, if my theory is
    correct
    (and its holding up so far),
    this was going to happen, the
    government has little choice about
    it
    and no one can fix it. It will get
    worse until there is a breaking
    point, at which things get UGLY.
    That can happen. The problem is that the self-proclaimed elites here in Germany are profoundly anti-democratic if they refuse to engage in the competition of arguments and instead seriously want to ban Germany's largest opposition party. Of course, using the "argument" that they are Nazis. Although nowadays, the majority in Germany no longer takes the loony lefties seriously. Today you're already a Nazi if you turn right twice at a traffic light.

    That has something to do with the likely pathological overcompensation happening here in Germany, which I already mentioned in this thread. There's even a joke about it - better not express your opinion too clearly unless you have a bathrobe ready. The background: A government-critical publication was supposed to be banned (something one would normally only expect in dictatorships), and the images of the house search immediately went viral - showing the publisher in a bathrobe after being pulled out of bed at dawn by the police storm troopers. Naturally, the mainstream media loyal to the system had already been informed in advance, so they could capture "the blow for democracy" (1984, anyone?).

    BTW: I'm neither a fan of the aforementioned publication nor the party in question. But that's not the point. In a democracy, sharp and even polemical, unpopular criticism must be tolerated - if it cannot (see above), it risks no longer being a democracy. Once again - the JD Vance speech was on point.

    BTW2: At least a court has ruled that the aforementioned scandalous ban on an opposition publication was unlawful (pending the main trial).

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Snobsoft on Mon May 5 08:10:00 2025
    Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-

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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Arelor to Snobsoft on
    Sat May 03 2025 05:59 pm

    I pretty much agree that so called
    advocates of freedom have become the
    ones who will slay it.


    Looks like it. And do they really not notice? From my perspective, it's
    so obvious what's happening - almost trivially clear.


    But what I really want to talk about
    is
    this:

    They probably dont
    even
    understand the essence of
    democracy.
    Exactly
    that means talking to one
    another,
    listening to different
    perspectives,
    thinking them over
    and not
    canceling them.

    Actually, the essence of democracy
    is
    to allow big groups of people to
    force
    their policies on small groups of
    people without having to kill them.

    Yes, that's one way to see it. But then the question remains - what
    would be better? But you do write more about that further down.


    I do think Democracy's days are up. Not numbered, but finished. Of course we still have a democracy, but not one which can propel us in the direction we need
    to go. Too much emphasis is placed on "rights", but rights are not natural, they are granted, and they are granted for a purpose. Is our "right" to vote serving the purpose it was granted for?

    I would argue no. As we only get to choose for a select few "approved" candidates, it seems we have no more choice than a child who is given the false dichotomy by their parents. As we see in Europe, if anyone does sneak in who falls outside the approved choices, they use non-democratic means to remove them.

    We just had an election in Australia, and some are painting this as a "Vote against Trump". I'm not sure if this makes sense, I hope its not true, but it shows that the system has run out of moral currency.

    I am actually more impressed by the
    true original _organized_ democracy.
    It
    fell to the same essential defect,
    but
    it had the advantage of not being
    universal - you got to vote only if
    you
    met the minimum requisites. This
    basically meant the people who had
    to
    decide whether to go to war or not
    was
    the same people who would be funding
    the war effort from their pockets or
    who would be in the frontline.

    That is very interesting. Then, quite concretely, "Panzer Toni" from
    the German Greens (who have now become strictly conservative and pro-armament) who is erratically claiming to support "Ukraine until victory" should also head to the front himself. And I bet that he
    wouldn't be so loud-mouthed anymore. So, a good idea. What I also don't quite understand again: Anyone who can think clearly should know that
    1) Ukraine cannot win and 2) only a third world war would change that.
    How delusional must one be to want to escalate such a conflict? Even
    Biden was aware of the danger of a third world war, and Trump is now
    doing the only right thing.

    And he gets corresponding bashing from the above mentioned German loudmouths, because for some reason they remain stuck in their absurd fantasy world, where one can defeat a nuclear power without setting the entire world on fire.

    Of course, one must also ignore the
    fact that, since 2014, half of the Ukrainian army had already initiated constant bombardment against Russian Donbas minorities (around 30,000 deaths), meaning that the conflict actually began much earlier.
    Naturally, the German propaganda media completely omit this. Likewise,
    the continuous NATO expansion, and the ignorance of Russian protests against it - including NATO bases in Ukraine.

    And yes, attacking a country is a violation of international law, which
    is what Russia did - something that superpowers often do. Look at the
    USA in Vietnam, etc. But the world is not simply black and white as in propaganda - and currently, for example, in the German mainstream
    media, who should be ashamed of their one-sided reporting.

    I agree. Universal suffrage was a bad idea in retrospect. Is the purpose representation, or the purpose to yield the best outcome? I would argue the two
    goals are mutually exclusive. We are in a situation now where the elderly can vote to keep the next generation out of housing, and where people who have contributed nothing, also can vote to take from others. One must have had, and still have, skin in the game, so to speak.

    We can limit voting to those who have skin in the game, so to speak. Ideally voting on policy rather than leaders, so we get to vote whether to go to war, with only those who would either fund it through their income and labour, and those who may be required to fight voting for it. That excludes the 80 year old
    retiree voting, which is fair. But this can fail for other matters, such as housing policy, where the 80 year old retiree who owns 3 houses can vote against
    policy designed to make housing more affordable, impoverishing the young who don't own property.

    I don't see a solution, and I don't see Democracy, at least one reliant on people voting, working. This is an enlightenment idea, based on the assumption that humans work to reason. This is proven untrue, and is more and more untrue by the day as we find more and more ways to manipulate, brainwash, gaslight and mislead people.

    Polybius identified the cycles civlisation goes through, and he observed that democracy degenerates and leads to strongman politics. We should bite the bullet perhaps, and accept this change, rather than carry on the farce for longer.

    After all, I don't care about "choosing" who represents me. I don't have a choice as none of the two major parties represent anything CLOSE to what I want.
    Id rather a monarchy which delivered an actual future for me. I want a good future, not the illusion of control.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Snobsoft on Mon May 5 08:37:00 2025
    Snobsoft wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on
    Sat May 03 2025 12:00 pm

    Of course, people got annoyed
    at
    other BBS users back then too,
    disagreed with their opinions.
    But
    afterward, they'd go have a
    beer
    together in real life. Today,
    you're often instantly treated
    as
    an
    enemy if you have the "wrong"
    opinion. It's terrible.
    Especially
    when
    it comes from the very people
    claiming to be "saving
    democracy."
    In reality, their suppression
    of
    dissenting opinions is the real
    threat to democracy.

    They probably don't even
    understand the essence of
    democracy. Exactly that
    means
    talking to one another,
    listening
    to different perspectives,
    thinking them over and not
    canceling them.

    Unfortuantely, if my theory is
    correct
    (and its holding up so far),
    this was going to happen, the
    government has little choice about
    it
    and no one can fix it. It will get
    worse until there is a breaking
    point, at which things get UGLY.
    That can happen. The problem is that the self-proclaimed elites here in Germany are profoundly anti-democratic if they refuse to engage in the competition of arguments and instead seriously want to ban Germany's largest opposition party. Of course, using the "argument" that they are Nazis. Although nowadays, the majority in Germany no longer takes the loony lefties seriously. Today you're already a Nazi if you turn right twice at a traffic light.

    That has something to do with the likely pathological overcompensation happening here in Germany, which I already mentioned in this thread. There's even a joke about it - better not express your opinion too
    clearly unless you have a bathrobe ready. The background: A government-critical publication was supposed to be banned (something
    one would normally only expect in dictatorships), and the images of the house search immediately went viral - showing the publisher in a
    bathrobe after being pulled out of bed at dawn by the police storm troopers. Naturally, the mainstream media loyal to the system had
    already been informed in advance, so they could capture "the blow for democracy" (1984, anyone?).

    BTW: I'm neither a fan of the aforementioned publication nor the party
    in question. But that's not the point. In a democracy, sharp and even polemical, unpopular criticism must be tolerated - if it cannot (see above), it risks no longer being a democracy. Once again - the JD Vance speech was on point.

    BTW2: At least a court has ruled that the aforementioned scandalous ban
    on an opposition publication was unlawful (pending the main trial).

    I have been to Germany a couple of times in the past, and it was eye opening indeed. For an Australian, I got to see the future the liberal world order is creating at a more advanced level. It's no surprise to me that the opposition party in question is rising. None at all. It is NOT their fault, nor the fault
    of the "Nazis" or whatever the system wants to blame. It was evident this was going to happen when I was first there in 2005, and no one is to blame except the leadership of Germany, and if Western countries since WWII. What Germany is
    doing is what the rest of the West is doing, except Germans are more enthusiastic because they hold guilt as a virtue. Germans maintain their supremacy by emisserating themselves harder than anyone else.

    People would do well to adopt a more materialist view of history, and of politics. The miscalculation I believe, is that we tend to think its simply a battle of ideas. One idea is promoted more than another, and the one which has the best "marketing" wins. IF a "bad" idea spreads, its only because people are
    spreading it. That is the modern thinking. If we just stop people spreading it, then it will go away. That is the thinking. That is flat wrong.

    There is a good chance that Europe will see mass expulsions again before the end
    of this century. I may no see it in my lifetime, but our children will. The chance is not 100% of course, but it is a significant risk, significant enough that I think it is prudent to begin to prepare for it. Just as you would be prepared for a bushfire in Australia if you live in a country town. It may not happen, but the chance is enough for you to be stupid not to.

    The preparation alone is a big problem. That alone will spark tension. The party you are alluded to, is, in my view, preparing for the future.

    The ruling elite have a sort of dim view of this, in that they can see storm clouds, but now why they are coming and what drives them. THAT is why they are acting this way. Things are spiralling out of control, and they think if they can limits speech, prevent "Hate speech", police peoples thoughts, that will stop the bad ideas and we'll return to normal. My position is it wont, nothing can stop what is coming now, and the trend you've seen, where people are becoming more and more polarised, will only continue until its logical conclusion. We need an overturning of our way of thinking since WWII, an upending of our values, and more importantly, *of how we formulate our values*.

    I can't see how you can possibly gain more freedom now. Germans, and the West, voted to take their own freedom away. They supported, and PROTESTED FOR, policies which would deny themselves freedom and take away democratic rights. Even now, many, many Europeans and Westerners will fight for a material outcome which would require themselves to lose freedom, privacy and the right to free expression.

    I say this because an "open society" cannot be free. A "welcome culture" cannot
    be free. You want a pluralistic society AND be free? That is the error. Germany is cooked. Are you willing to exert a German identity, and put it as supreme over the others? No. Well, welcome to hell.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Boraxman on Sun May 4 21:11:14 2025
    Boraxman wrote to phigan <=-

    Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install
    it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
    want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
    Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to
    use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one
    client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
    Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I
    can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly)
    used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think
    Yahoo! Chat account.

    I was going to mention Pidgin/GAIM - back in the AOL/MSN/Gtalk days,
    people were on all platforms - then, we used XMPP at work on a dedicated server, I ran my own XMPP server - and could read/write messages on all
    the networks with Pidgin.



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  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to Boraxman on Mon May 5 04:47:26 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on Mon May 05 2025 08:37 am

    The ruling elite have a sort of dim
    view of this, in that they can see
    storm clouds, but now why they are
    coming and what drives them. THAT
    is
    why they are acting this way.
    Things
    are spiralling out of control, and
    they
    think if they can limits speech,
    prevent "Hate speech", police
    peoples
    thoughts, that will stop the bad
    ideas
    and we'll return to normal. My
    position
    is it wont, nothing can stop what is
    coming now, and the trend you've
    seen,
    where people are becoming more and
    more
    polarised, will only continue until
    its
    logical conclusion.


    I see it similarly - it will escalate even further. If they actually ban the largest opposition party in Germany (and probably already the strongest party overall), then things will really explode. Even though there’s that joke about Germans protesting on a train platform and first buying a ticket (probably told incorrectly - but you know what I mean), this would likely lead to real mass protests and more.

    But it probably won’t go that far. The Bundesverfassungsgericht is still truly independent, and there are people there with a sense for our constitution (which is good). Quite the opposite of the Verfassungschutz, which is bound by directives. Exactly from this dreadful Nancy Faeser (I’ll get my bathrobe ready :D).

    BTW: She’s back in the headlines again. Someone posted a satirical meme about her and was sentenced to seven months in prison. No, we’re not talking about a banana republic - we’re talking about Germany in the year 2025. The scandalous ruling was graciously suspended on probation, just search for 'Ich hasse Meinungsfreiheit' and 'Apollo News.' It’s very likely that higher courts will tear this ruling apart, but the intended effect is already there: intimidation of critical voices.

    I never thought I would experience a Germany like this.


    I can't see how you can possibly
    gain
    more freedom now. Germans, and the
    West, voted to take their own
    freedom
    away. They supported, and PROTESTED
    FOR, policies which would deny
    themselves freedom and take away
    democratic rights. Even now, many,
    many
    Europeans and Westerners will fight
    for
    a material outcome which would
    require
    themselves to lose freedom, privacy
    and
    the right to free expression.

    I say this because an "open society"
    cannot be free. A "welcome culture"
    cannot
    be free. You want a pluralistic
    society AND be free? That is the
    error. Germany is cooked. Are you
    willing to exert a German identity,
    and
    put it as supreme over the others?
    No.
    Well, welcome to hell.


    I believe what Germans need to understand about the overcompensation guilt complex of their loony leftists is this: No one is a Nazi just because they demand immigration guidelines, for example. Are Canadians Nazis? No. Are Americans Nazis? No. So just make reasonable policies with common sense, and all is well.

    Earlier, you wrote that you are Australian. You wouldn't happen to know Troy Duncan from Melbourne, with whom I am currently making BBS videos?

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  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to Boraxman on Mon May 5 06:13:41 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on Mon May 05 2025 08:10 am

    After all, I don't care about
    "choosing" who represents me. I
    don't
    have a choice as none of the two
    major
    parties represent anything CLOSE to
    what I want.
    Id rather a monarchy which delivered
    an
    actual future for me. I want a good
    future, not the illusion of control.

    I felt fairly well represented in Germany in the 1980s. Democracy still functioned well here, and freedom of speech was a given. The left was not yet completely out of control. I even saw myself as left-wing, but I have nothing to do with today's lifestyle/loony-lefties. I haven't changed - they have. What the Greens are advocating today is actually what was considered typically right-wing in the 1980s (military interventions in other countries, obedience to authority, etc.). Left and right can hardly be used in the same way as they were back then.

    Back in the 80s, as I said, you could have real societal discussions (even on BBS). People argued intensely about issues, and then had a beer together afterward. Today, the climate is poisoned.

    The concrete problem today: Germans voted for a political change, but all parties have united against the largest opposition party in the so-called 'Brandmauer' which is deeply anti-democratic. The majority of voters are getting the exact opposite of what they voted for. This has never happened so drastically in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany. Now, we are seeing a continuation of the disastrous loony-leftist policies - economically disastrous, and foreign policy-wise, extremely dangerous.

    The greatest threat to us in Germany, Europe, and beyond remains the risk that the war in Ukraine could escalate into a European or even global conflict over Ukraine. I am cautiously optimistic that Trump will fix this. These are strange times when one can be glad to still have Trump, I was never a fan of his.

    Also bizarre: The loony-lefties annoyed us in Germany for years with completely exaggerated COVID measures. Now, we truly have the greatest threat to our lives since the Cuban Missile Crisis with the Ukraine powder keg, and what do the Greens do? They pour fuel on the fire - unbelievable.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to RIXTER on Mon May 5 08:22:37 2025
    Quoting Rixter to Snobsoft <=-

    What was your most beautiful BBS
    experience in modern timeslet's say,
    within the last 10 years or so? One
    where you'd say, "Good thing those old
    BBS dinosaurs are still around here
    and there!"

    I've had many truly amazing
    experiences...
    Like receiving great hardware donations
    from Snobsoft (my BBS) users. But the
    most recent event with my Australian BBS
    video (see Ads Section) is something I
    find particularly awesome right now. In
    the Australian video about SX-64 user
    Troy Duncan, I start off, among other
    things, with a music video from Men At
    Work ("Down Under"). And what does Troy
    tell me? The guitarist from Men At Work
    lives on his street! What an incredible
    coincidence.
    I'm still grinning about it.

    Alright, now it's your turn! :D

    Thank you for a good post. I enjoy CJs place because the sysop there
    plays games with us. Xbit BBS is a great gaming place as well.

    I don't know if this is the place, but I would like to extend my thanks
    to all of you who keep the boards running. I liked the community in the
    past and still find it engaging and fun.

    I love to play Tradewars and I did try my hand at running a BBS back in
    the early 90's but I wasn't very good at it. So my hats off to all of
    you sysop's who take the time to run the boards for all of us.

    Needless to say, I still love to play TW and I'm thankful for all of
    you guys. Not just CJ and Rick but each and every one of you.

    Thanks!

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  • From Rixter@VERT/CJSPLACE to Cougar428 on Mon May 5 08:41:05 2025
    Re: Most memorable modern BBS
    By: Cougar428 to RIXTER on Mon May 05 2025 08:22 am

    Quoting Rixter to Snobsoft <=-

    What was your most beautiful BBS
    experience in modern timeslet's say,
    within the last 10 years or so? One
    where you'd say, "Good thing those old
    BBS dinosaurs are still around here
    and there!"

    I've had many truly amazing
    experiences...
    Like receiving great hardware donations
    from Snobsoft (my BBS) users. But the
    most recent event with my Australian BBS
    video (see Ads Section) is something I
    find particularly awesome right now. In
    the Australian video about SX-64 user
    Troy Duncan, I start off, among other
    things, with a music video from Men At
    Work ("Down Under"). And what does Troy
    tell me? The guitarist from Men At Work
    lives on his street! What an incredible
    coincidence.
    I'm still grinning about it.

    Alright, now it's your turn! :D

    Thank you for a good post. I enjoy CJs place because the sysop there plays games with us. Xbit BBS is a great gaming place as well.

    I don't know if this is the place, but I would like to extend my thanks
    to all of you who keep the boards running. I liked the community in the
    past and still find it engaging and fun.

    I love to play Tradewars and I did try my hand at running a BBS back in
    the early 90's but I wasn't very good at it. So my hats off to all of
    you sysop's who take the time to run the boards for all of us.

    Needless to say, I still love to play TW and I'm thankful for all of
    you guys. Not just CJ and Rick but each and every one of you.

    Thanks!

    ... Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.

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    Thank you Cougar. I hope you have a great day.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Mon May 5 09:06:12 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on Mon May 05 2025 08:37 am

    I say this because an "open society" cannot be free. A "welcome culture"
    cannot
    be free. You want a pluralistic society AND be free? That is the error.
    Germany is cooked. Are you willing to exert a German identity, and put it as supreme over the others? No. Well, welcome to hell.


    I think this is a matter of the point of view as who gets to be free under which circumsptances.

    In post 1950's fascist Spain, people were de-facto more free than they are today - nobody was required to ask permission to have horses and hens, you weren't supposed to report everything you do as you are today - but only if you were, shall we say, Spanish-normative.

    Which basically means if you were a working heterosexual non-communist Spaniard you were good to go and the only right you missed was critizising the Party in the open. Lacking the power to citizise Franco in the open is a big one for me, but I would trade the right to critizise the government for the right not to be accountable for every decision I take in my life in a heartbeat. If I were gay I would think different.

    I think I have already mentioned that people who like pluralistic open for all cultures do so because they imagine they will be welcoming people that are largely compatible with their views, or who can be evangelized and adapted to the local ways. The problem is people is not going to abbandon their ideas and morals just because they are on your soil. Can you imagine how successful would the population of a pro- female genital mutilation society be in changing your views if you moved there? Newsflash: your chances of changing the morals of a newcomer are about the same.

    This is not to say you can't have an open metropolitan society, just that there will be consequences and that most people who propose this society model is not willing to accept them - and they will discover that sooner or later.

    In this regard the Japanesse model might be one of the most sustainable ones. People is more or less welcome to stay but you are expected to follow Japanesse rules to the letter while in public. It is fine if you bring European traditions but you are expected not to push them in public.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Cougar428 on Mon May 5 09:53:17 2025
    Re: Most memorable modern BBS
    By: Cougar428 to RIXTER on Mon May 05 2025 08:22 am

    I don't know if this is the place, but I would like to extend my thanks to all of you who keep the boards running. I liked the community in the past and still find it engaging and fun.

    I love to play Tradewars and I did try my hand at running a BBS back in the early 90's but I wasn't very good at it. So my hats off to all of you sysop's who take the time to run the boards for all of us.

    I think it's interesting that I've been running my current BBS longer than I ran my original BBS in the 90s.. I enjoy running it, and I plan to keep running it (at least for a while), as long as the community is still active.

    Nightfox

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  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to Bogomips on Mon May 5 11:01:24 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Bogomips to Snobsoft on Fri May 02 2025 07:06 am

    What I really miss is the culture
    of
    discussion we had here in Germany
    back in the 80s and 90s (also in
    BBS, later Fido, and Usenet). I
    don't know how it was or is in
    the USA


    I was stationed in Germany in the
    early
    80's and what I liked was the
    Deutchlanders really only said what
    they meant. No "wells, ifs or what
    ifs".

    Nice to hear. In which area of Germany were you?

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/BATTLEST to Boraxman on Mon May 5 06:54:00 2025
    Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-

    Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-

    I do think Democracy's days are up. Not numbered, but finished. Of course we still have a democracy, but not one which can propel us in
    the direction we need
    to go. Too much emphasis is placed on "rights", but rights are not natural, they are granted, and they are granted for a purpose. Is our "right" to vote serving the purpose it was granted for?

    I'm late to the discussion I know, but wanted to chime in here...

    Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?

    I've heard it touted the last few years to 'support democracy' especially
    in the Tennessee state legislature. We didn't have one before - we have
    had a representative republic.

    As for the right not being natural, but granted. The US Constitution
    recognizes that they are 'granted' by our Creator. That implies the
    Most High God - the Creator God - and not the government. I would
    say that we are not granted in the sense that they are granted by
    the government, but are 'granted' by our Creator at birth, which
    makes them natural.

    I would argue no. As we only get to choose for a select few "approved" candidates, it seems we have no more choice than a child who is given
    the false dichotomy by their parents. As we see in Europe, if anyone
    does sneak in who falls outside the approved choices, they use non-democratic means to remove them.

    This I agree with, but whose fault is that? I believe we as a society
    over the years have given up more and more control to 'the establishment'
    and not put forth our own candidates. We had this conversation early on
    in our men's study group at church. We all agreed that if we want
    Christian values and a Biblical worldview we should vote that way. This includes voting that way for county commisioner, school board, etc. and
    not just in the state or national elections. The comment was made that
    there are not always 'Christian candidates' running, so we decided
    maybe it was time for us to step up and fill those spots then.

    My personal decision, with prayer of course, was to look at county
    commision or school board. The former is pretty much locked up for
    my district, but the latter is currently held by my wife's cousin,
    who has thought about retiring from the position. I talked to him and
    he would be willing to endorse me and be more likely to step down
    knowing there is another Christian ready to step in.

    I am actually more impressed by the
    true original _organized_ democracy.
    It
    fell to the same essential defect,
    but
    it had the advantage of not being
    universal - you got to vote only if
    you
    met the minimum requisites. This
    basically meant the people who had
    to
    decide whether to go to war or not
    was
    the same people who would be funding
    the war effort from their pockets or
    who would be in the frontline.

    Yep! This is an ongoing problem right now! Profiting instead of
    representing. And of course profiting means having the money to
    fund reelection, etc. And the fact that money can buy an election
    means people aren't voting their conscious anyway. <sigh> It's a
    vicious cycle.

    Of course, one must also ignore the
    fact that, since 2014, half of the Ukrainian army had already initiated constant bombardment against Russian Donbas minorities (around 30,000 deaths), meaning that the conflict actually began much earlier.
    Naturally, the German propaganda media completely omit this. Likewise,
    the continuous NATO expansion, and the ignorance of Russian protests against it - including NATO bases in Ukraine.

    The NATO expansion, against previous promises, is probably the leading
    cause of this. Don't come in my yard. Oh you did? And I defend myself?
    And now I'm the bad guy? More to it than just the poor Ukraine people
    that are stuck in the middle.

    I don't see a solution, and I don't see Democracy, at least one reliant
    on people voting, working. This is an enlightenment idea, based on the assumption that humans work to reason. This is proven untrue, and is
    more and more untrue by the day as we find more and more ways to manipulate, brainwash, gaslight and mislead people.

    This. In a nutshell... ^^^^

    Polybius identified the cycles civlisation goes through, and he
    observed that democracy degenerates and leads to strongman politics.
    We should bite the bullet perhaps, and accept this change, rather than carry on the farce for longer.

    After all, I don't care about "choosing" who represents me. I don't
    have a choice as none of the two major parties represent anything CLOSE
    to what I want.
    Id rather a monarchy which delivered an actual future for me. I want a good future, not the illusion of control.

    With a Biblical worldview, I see the future EVENTUALLY being one world government, but I don't support that, nor do I push for it. I know it
    to be a 'future fact' is all. That being said, I beleive that the only
    true 'change' that will happen is one soul at a time.


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  • From Captainj@VERT/TRANSPO to Boraxman on Mon May 5 18:57:44 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on Mon May 05 2025 08:10:00

    Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-

    I would argue no. As we only get to choose for a select few "approved" candidates, it seems we have no more choice than a child who is given the false dichotomy by their parents. As we see in Europe, if anyone does sneak in who falls outside the approved choices, they use non-democratic means to remove them.

    A great read to be sure. Thanks :-)

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Mon May 5 20:33:19 2025
    Nightfox wrote to Cougar428 <=-

    Re: Most memorable modern BBS
    By: Cougar428 to RIXTER on Mon May 05 2025 08:22 am

    I don't know if this is the place, but I would like to extend my thanks to all of you who keep the boards running. I liked the community in the past and still find it engaging and fun.

    I love to play Tradewars and I did try my hand at running a BBS back in the early 90's but I wasn't very good at it. So my hats off to all of you sysop's who take the time to run the boards for all of us.

    I think it's interesting that I've been running my current BBS longer
    than I ran my original BBS in the 90s.. I enjoy running it, and I plan
    to keep running it (at least for a while), as long as the community is still active.

    I was just thinking that same thing the other day. In my case it's now
    been about twice as long as when I ran in the 90s. Doesn't seem like
    it, though.



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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 6 08:09:00 2025
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <68183A62.1171.dove.dove-gen@realitycheckbbs.org>
    @REPLY: <68157B82.64965.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Boraxman wrote to phigan <=-

    Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install
    it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
    want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
    Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to
    use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one
    client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
    Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I
    can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly)
    used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think
    Yahoo! Chat account.

    I was going to mention Pidgin/GAIM - back in the AOL/MSN/Gtalk days, people were on all platforms - then, we used XMPP at work on a
    dedicated server, I ran my own XMPP server - and could read/write
    messages on all the networks with Pidgin.

    Signal has actually become my defacto "messenger" program. Not by choice, but simply by virtue of chance and others I know using it. However, it is not a replacement. Signal requires a phone, and it advertises to all that you use it.
    Iliked MSN because I didn't feel to concerned about giving people by MSN handle,
    strangers I could talk to that I wouldn't necessarily want to add in my phone book.

    I was hoping with IPv6 that each person could somehow obtain a static IP or IP range that was static within a country/region. That way it acted like a psuedo internet phone number, and chat clients could work without a central controller.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Snobsoft on Tue May 6 08:29:00 2025
    Snobsoft wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    @REPLY: <6817ED4B.64991.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on
    Mon May 05 2025 08:10 am

    After all, I don't care about
    "choosing" who represents me. I
    don't
    have a choice as none of the two
    major
    parties represent anything CLOSE to
    what I want.
    Id rather a monarchy which delivered
    an
    actual future for me. I want a good
    future, not the illusion of control.

    I felt fairly well represented in Germany in the 1980s. Democracy still functioned well here, and freedom of speech was a given. The left was
    not yet completely out of control. I even saw myself as left-wing, but
    I have nothing to do with today's lifestyle/loony-lefties. I haven't changed - they have. What the Greens are advocating today is actually
    what was considered typically right-wing in the 1980s (military interventions in other countries, obedience to authority, etc.). Left
    and right can hardly be used in the same way as they were back then.

    Back in the 80s, as I said, you could have real societal discussions
    (even on BBS). People argued intensely about issues, and then had a
    beer together afterward. Today, the climate is poisoned.

    The concrete problem today: Germans voted for a political change, but
    all parties have united against the largest opposition party in the so-called 'Brandmauer' which is deeply anti-democratic. The majority of voters are getting the exact opposite of what they voted for. This has never happened so drastically in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany. Now, we are seeing a continuation of the disastrous
    loony-leftist policies - economically disastrous, and foreign
    policy-wise, extremely dangerous.

    The greatest threat to us in Germany, Europe, and beyond remains the
    risk that the war in Ukraine could escalate into a European or even
    global conflict over Ukraine. I am cautiously optimistic that Trump
    will fix this. These are strange times when one can be glad to still
    have Trump, I was never a fan of his.

    Also bizarre: The loony-lefties annoyed us in Germany for years with completely exaggerated COVID measures. Now, we truly have the greatest threat to our lives since the Cuban Missile Crisis with the Ukraine
    powder keg, and what do the Greens do? They pour fuel on the fire - unbelievable.

    In my experience, I always found the "tolerant Left" to be quite, well, authoritarian and hateful. It was one of the things that turned me off them back in the late 90s. They expressed nice sounding ideas, but if you ever challenged anything, they turned on you HARD. As a teenager, seeing this alternative side, after asking honest questions made me realise they weren't what they painted themselves to be. They are like religious zealots, convinced of their Holy mission to save our souls, and those who oppose are serving the forces of evil. The other eye opener was the level of hate and disdain they had. They were casual supporters of what I would consider genocide.

    I saw similar things in Australia. You could argue with someone, but it wasn't like it was an existential threat. The climate is poisoned here too, and people
    will turn against you. We've had referendums here on various issues, and the Left have just said that anyone who disagrees must be a bigot. Why let bigots speak, or choose for us?

    There is one common factor in all these countries. The more we have to accomodate a wider and wider range of identities, to make them fit in, to make them feel represtented, to suppress any conflict of interest, the more control society needs to exert. Almost EVERY limitation on speech, excuse for control, excuse for suppressing democracy (if its not about "protecting the children"), is to do with this. Germany may have additional reasons, but throughout the West, this is the clear trend. The state is worried about social division because its created a divided society and now has to hold it to together. The entire social order, the entire system of values has been overturned to accomodate this one thing. If one supports that, then fine, but then you have to be honest and say that freedom of speech, expression must be curtailed to accomodate that. Thats why these parties are rising, they are a counter to this
    policy, and the state cannot allow an alternative vision which undermines its own vision and ideology. I'm not sure Democracy will survive in every European country.




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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Tue May 6 08:45:00 2025
    Arelor wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <6818C5D4.37255.dove-general@palantirbbs.ddns.net>
    @REPLY: <6817ED4D.64992.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on
    Mon May 05 2025 08:37 am

    I say this because an "open society" cannot be free. A "welcome culture"
    cannot
    be free. You want a pluralistic society AND be free? That is the error.
    Germany is cooked. Are you willing to exert a German identity, and put it as supreme over the others? No. Well, welcome to hell.


    I think this is a matter of the point of view as who gets to be free
    under which circumsptances.

    In post 1950's fascist Spain, people were de-facto more free than they
    are today - nobody was required to ask permission to have horses and
    hens, you weren't supposed to report everything you do as you are today
    - but only if you were, shall we say, Spanish-normative.

    Which basically means if you were a working heterosexual non-communist Spaniard you were good to go and the only right you missed was
    critizising the Party in the open. Lacking the power to citizise Franco
    in the open is a big one for me, but I would trade the right to
    critizise the government for the right not to be accountable for every decision I take in my life in a heartbeat. If I were gay I would think different.

    I think I have already mentioned that people who like pluralistic open
    for all cultures do so because they imagine they will be welcoming
    people that are largely compatible with their views, or who can be evangelized and adapted to the local ways. The problem is people is not going to abbandon their ideas and morals just because they are on your soil. Can you imagine how successful would the population of a pro-
    female genital mutilation society be in changing your views if you
    moved there? Newsflash: your chances of changing the morals of a
    newcomer are about the same.

    This is not to say you can't have an open metropolitan society, just
    that there will be consequences and that most people who propose this society model is not willing to accept them - and they will discover
    that sooner or later.

    In this regard the Japanesse model might be one of the most sustainable ones. People is more or less welcome to stay but you are expected to follow Japanesse rules to the letter while in public. It is fine if you bring European traditions but you are expected not to push them in
    public.

    I think the Japanese have struck a good balance too. I'm not against and open society, per se, I just think we've gone way, way too far being open. We believed that inside everyone else around the world, is a Liberal wanting to break out. In a sense, we were arrogant and supremacist. We thought our Liberal values and lifestyle WERE the Human Default, that we finally reached, and that everyone else was just wanting exactly that, and when they came to us, would fit right in. In short, Liberals viewed the world as being just them, with a different paint job. We still want to "civilise the world", but do it be
    bringing them to our "enlightened values" rather than going over there.

    Thats precisely why there is so, so, so much said about "skin colour" because their entire ideology is based on the theory that all humans are by default cosmopolitan western Liberals like us, with a different hue.

    The more feverishly someone asserts something is true, the more you can trust it
    is NOT. Truth doesn't need to be drummed into you endlessly, and enforced by "hate speech laws". Its self evident. We've seen people around the world are different, and shock! horror! not everyone thinks we are the pinnacle of human development... We act shocked and offended when they stick to their "backwards"
    ways.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Jimmy Anderson on Tue May 6 08:55:00 2025
    Jimmy Anderson wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <6818C267.19723.dove-gen@battlestarbbs.dyndns.org>
    @REPLY: <6817ED4B.64991.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-

    Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-

    I do think Democracy's days are up. Not numbered, but finished. Of course we still have a democracy, but not one which can propel us in
    the direction we need
    to go. Too much emphasis is placed on "rights", but rights are not natural, they are granted, and they are granted for a purpose. Is our "right" to vote serving the purpose it was granted for?

    I'm late to the discussion I know, but wanted to chime in here...

    Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?

    I've heard it touted the last few years to 'support democracy'
    especially in the Tennessee state legislature. We didn't have one
    before - we have had a representative republic.

    As for the right not being natural, but granted. The US Constitution recognizes that they are 'granted' by our Creator. That implies the
    Most High God - the Creator God - and not the government. I would
    say that we are not granted in the sense that they are granted by
    the government, but are 'granted' by our Creator at birth, which
    makes them natural.

    I'm speaking in general. I would argue that the "End of Democracy" doesn't mean
    you don't get to vote, it just means the system is not functionally a democracy.
    We can see this in Germany, where the parties have ganged up to prvent a rising party, the jailing of Le Pen, the overturning of the Romanian election and Lawfare against Trump and the "fortifying" of the 2020 election. Could it outright disappear? Maybe, in some nations it could lead to fascism, but not right now. I think we'll see "managed demoracy", where a ruling elite gatekeep everything, effectively a one-party or one-ideology system in disguise.

    Not sure exactly how this will play out, but this is the trend.


    I would argue no. As we only get to choose for a select few "approved" candidates, it seems we have no more choice than a child who is given
    the false dichotomy by their parents. As we see in Europe, if anyone
    does sneak in who falls outside the approved choices, they use non-democratic means to remove them.

    This I agree with, but whose fault is that? I believe we as a society
    over the years have given up more and more control to 'the
    establishment' and not put forth our own candidates. We had this conversation early on in our men's study group at church. We all agreed that if we want Christian values and a Biblical worldview we should
    vote that way. This includes voting that way for county commisioner, school board, etc. and not just in the state or national elections. The comment was made that there are not always 'Christian candidates'
    running, so we decided maybe it was time for us to step up and fill
    those spots then.

    My personal decision, with prayer of course, was to look at county commision or school board. The former is pretty much locked up for
    my district, but the latter is currently held by my wife's cousin,
    who has thought about retiring from the position. I talked to him and
    he would be willing to endorse me and be more likely to step down
    knowing there is another Christian ready to step in.

    My position is that the Post WWII Liberal order, in particular creating an "open
    society", made this a necessary evil. The ruling establishment has no choice but to further police peoples opinions and speech and curtail political freedom,
    to make sure this more fragile society doesn't fall apart. To use an analogy that you might find apt, we have created the Tower of Babel and trying to keep the people together.

    * snipped out alternative reply *

    I don't see a solution, and I don't see Democracy, at least one reliant
    on people voting, working. This is an enlightenment idea, based on the assumption that humans work to reason. This is proven untrue, and is
    more and more untrue by the day as we find more and more ways to manipulate, brainwash, gaslight and mislead people.

    This. In a nutshell... ^^^^

    I'm not religious, but I do believe that the Atheistic "Rationalist" worldview has failed big. I see the big Atheists scrambling now, and its pathetic. They just don't get it.

    Polybius identified the cycles civlisation goes through, and he
    observed that democracy degenerates and leads to strongman politics.
    We should bite the bullet perhaps, and accept this change, rather than carry on the farce for longer.

    After all, I don't care about "choosing" who represents me. I don't
    have a choice as none of the two major parties represent anything CLOSE
    to what I want.
    Id rather a monarchy which delivered an actual future for me. I want a good future, not the illusion of control.

    With a Biblical worldview, I see the future EVENTUALLY being one world government, but I don't support that, nor do I push for it. I know it
    to be a 'future fact' is all. That being said, I beleive that the only true 'change' that will happen is one soul at a time.

    I think people are pushing for this, but I see it as unworkable. There are people who believe that the world could unite, there is "one humanity". They're
    mistaken, and we will pay dearly for them continiuing with this delusion.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jimmy Anderson on Mon May 5 22:42:51 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Boraxman on Mon May 05 2025 06:54 am

    Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-
    the direction we need
    to go. Too much emphasis is placed on "rights", but rights are not natural, they are granted, and they are granted for a purpose. Is our "right" to vote serving the purpose it was granted for?

    I'm late to the discussion I know, but wanted to chime in here...

    Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?


    i think boraxman is au
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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Snobsoft on Tue May 6 04:19:44 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Snobsoft to Bogomips on Mon May 05 2025 11:01 am

    I was stationed in Germany in the early
    80's and what I liked was the Deutchlanders really only said what they meant. No "wells, ifs or what ifs".

    Nice to hear. In which area of Germany were you?

    I was stationed in Wiesbaden, but would do maneuvers all over what was then, west Germany. Did some duty on the Czech border.

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  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to Arelor on Tue May 6 03:18:29 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Mon May 05 2025 09:06 am

    I think this is a matter of the
    point
    of view as who gets to be free under
    which circumsptances.

    In post 1950's fascist Spain, people
    were de-facto more free than they
    are
    today - nobody was required to ask
    permission to have horses and hens,
    you
    weren't supposed to report
    everything
    you do as you are today - but only
    if
    you were, shall we say,
    Spanish-normative.

    Which basically means if you were a
    working heterosexual non-communist
    Spaniard you were good to go and the
    only right you missed was
    critizising
    the Party in the open. Lacking the
    power to citizise Franco in the open
    is
    a big one for me, but I would trade
    the
    right to critizise the government
    for
    the right not to be accountable for
    every decision I take in my life in
    a
    heartbeat. If I were gay I would
    think different.

    That is a very smart post from you. It shows how important it is to know that there are different perspectives, not just the one and only truth. Unfortunately, not many people are able to imagine other viewpoints and thus develop understanding accordingly.

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/BATTLEST to Nightfox on Mon May 5 17:51:00 2025
    Nightfox wrote to Cougar428 <=-

    I think it's interesting that I've been running my current BBS longer
    than I ran my original BBS in the 90s.. I enjoy running it, and I plan
    to keep running it (at least for a while), as long as the community is still active.

    What all nets do you have?

    I joined Battleship because it has a TON, but there's a 20 message limit per day...


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Tue May 6 19:31:14 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Jimmy Anderson on Mon May 05 2025 10:42 pm

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Boraxman on Mon May 05 2025 06:54 am

    Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-
    the direction we need
    to go. Too much emphasis is placed on "rights", but rights are not natural, they are granted, and they are granted for a purpose. Is o "right" to vote serving the purpose it was granted for?

    I'm late to the discussion I know, but wanted to chime in here...

    Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?


    i think boraxman is au
    Correct, but I'm speaking in general terms as Australia is following the same broad trends as the US, Canada, France, Germany, UK, etc.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Tue May 6 10:51:50 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 06 2025 08:09 am

    Signal has actually become my defacto "messenger" program. Not by choice, but simply by virtue of chance and others I know using it. However, it is not a replacement. Signal requires a phone, and it advertises to all that you use it.

    Actually, your phone number is no longer advertised if you don't want to.

    https://signal.org/blog/phone-number-privacy-usernames/

    I still hate the fact your account is limited to a phone number, but that is an administrative decission. Most modern users can't deal with user-password credentials at all.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Boraxman on Tue May 6 09:08:03 2025
    Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I was hoping with IPv6 that each person could somehow obtain a static
    IP or IP range that was static within a country/region. That way it
    acted like a psuedo internet phone number, and chat clients could work without a central controller.

    I suppose, even with IPV4 and DDNS, you could do something like that.
    More and more ISPs are moving to carrier-grade NAT, though - eliminating
    any possibility of interconnection.

    XMPP/Jabber would have done that - run your own jabber server and
    with DDNS or a static IP you could connect directly.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jimmy Anderson on Tue May 6 09:39:47 2025
    Re: Most memorable modern BBS
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Nightfox on Mon May 05 2025 05:51 pm

    What all nets do you have?

    I joined Battleship because it has a TON, but there's a 20 message limit per day...

    I'm connected to DOVE-Net, FSXNet, FidoNet, AgoraNet, HobbyNet, StarNet, MusicalNet, and DeveloperNet.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Tue May 6 17:01:39 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Tue May 06 2025 07:31 pm

    Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?


    i think boraxman is au
    Correct, but I'm speaking in general terms as Australia is following the same broad trends as the US, Canada, France, Germany, UK, etc.

    well i knew a few people online from the au and i think you guys are a bit worse in that area, as is canada and uk. americans still love their rights and fight for them; that is why they have to take creative measures to take them away from us.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Tue May 6 17:02:14 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Tue May 06 2025 10:51 am


    Signal has actually become my defacto "messenger" program. Not by choice, but simply by virtue of chance and others I know using it. However, it is not a replacement. Signal requires a phone, and it advertises to all that you use it.


    https://signal.org/blog/phone-number-privacy-usernames/

    I still hate the fact your account is limited to a phone number, but that is an administrative decission. Most modern users can't deal with user-password credentials at all.

    i think that is to limit bot accounts.
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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Tue May 6 19:43:36 2025
    Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    As for the right not being natural, but granted. The US Constitution recognizes that they are 'granted' by our Creator. That implies the
    Most High God - the Creator God - and not the government. I would
    say that we are not granted in the sense that they are granted by
    the government, but are 'granted' by our Creator at birth, which
    makes them natural.

    I'm speaking in general. I would argue that the "End of Democracy" doesn't mean
    you don't get to vote, it just means the system is not functionally a democracy.

    Gotcha! The issue here in Tennessee is there is a vocal group that claim
    they are not being heard. The way it works is that there are Representatives sent from different districts. Each district has ONE Rep that represents
    70,000 ish people. Each Rep has the same vote as the next one. When
    'majority rules' in the House of Representatives, there are some who stand
    up and say they aren't representing the views of everyone.

    Well... That's the definition of democracy, or representative republic. Everyone has an equal say, and majority rules. :-) It's just frustrating hearing them complain and say they are not being heard, when the truth is
    they ARE, but the state AS A WHOLE has sent more people to Congress that
    do NOT vote that way.

    We can see this in Germany, where the parties have ganged up to prvent
    a rising party, the jailing of Le Pen, the overturning of the Romanian election and Lawfare against Trump and the "fortifying" of the 2020 election. Could it outright disappear? Maybe, in some nations it
    could lead to fascism, but not right now. I think we'll see "managed demoracy", where a ruling elite gatekeep everything, effectively a one-party or one-ideology system in disguise.

    Yep - I think Trump is the exception to this... George Bush Sr. was VERY globally minded, so it's not just one party. The 'establishment' seems to strive to hold itself up, and historically speaking we ARE moving toward
    even a global gatekeeper society. And of course Daniel and John both
    saw this coming, so it shouldn't be a surprise. :-)



    With a Biblical worldview, I see the future EVENTUALLY being one world government, but I don't support that, nor do I push for it. I know it
    to be a 'future fact' is all. That being said, I beleive that the only true 'change' that will happen is one soul at a time.

    I think people are pushing for this, but I see it as unworkable. There are people who believe that the world could unite, there is "one humanity". They're
    mistaken, and we will pay dearly for them continiuing with this
    delusion.

    I think that is the very reason the AntiChrist will be able to have the
    sway over the nations - because he will bring peace and unity that the
    world hasn't seen since, as you mentioned, the Tower of Babal!




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Snobsoft on Tue May 6 19:43:36 2025
    Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-

    That is a very smart post from you. It shows how important it is to
    know that there are different perspectives, not just the one and only truth. Unfortunately, not many people are able to imagine other
    viewpoints and thus develop understanding accordingly.

    There are MANY perspectives and many viewpoints, but there is only one
    'truth' - or else it's not the truth. Either there is ONE TRUTH or
    there is no actual truth...




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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Wed May 7 08:05:00 2025
    Arelor wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <681A3016.37276.dove-general@palantirbbs.ddns.net>
    @REPLY: <681941F7.65009.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN
    on Tue May 06 2025 08:09 am

    Signal has actually become my defacto "messenger" program. Not by choice, but simply by virtue of chance and others I know using it. However, it is not a replacement. Signal requires a phone, and it advertises to all that you use it.

    Actually, your phone number is no longer advertised if you don't want
    to.

    https://signal.org/blog/phone-number-privacy-usernames/

    I still hate the fact your account is limited to a phone number, but
    that is an administrative decission. Most modern users can't deal with user-password credentials at all.

    Telegram allows you to hide your number, but not hide the fact you are using it. If you use Signal you have to resign yourself to the fact that everyone else who has your number will know you are on it. With Telegram, they'll know your username. I guess its to make things easier, but I wasn't comfortable with
    that software making announcements like that automatically.

    I may NOT WANT someone who has my number to know I'm using Signal.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 7 08:07:00 2025
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <681A33E3.1195.dove.dove-gen@realitycheckbbs.org>
    @REPLY: <681941F7.65009.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I was hoping with IPv6 that each person could somehow obtain a static
    IP or IP range that was static within a country/region. That way it
    acted like a psuedo internet phone number, and chat clients could work without a central controller.

    I suppose, even with IPV4 and DDNS, you could do something like that.
    More and more ISPs are moving to carrier-grade NAT, though -
    eliminating any possibility of interconnection.

    XMPP/Jabber would have done that - run your own jabber server and
    with DDNS or a static IP you could connect directly.

    Luckily mine hasn't yet. Carrier grade NAT really puts a stake in the heart of what the Internet is about, peer to peer connectivity. Of course, its all moot when we transistion to IPv6.

    There is a part of me that thinks there are some who WANT to block us behind a NAT to make peer-to-peer setups more difficult, forcing us into centralised solutions.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Tue May 6 22:54:29 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Wed May 07 2025 08:05 am


    Telegram allows you to hide your number, but not hide the fact you are using it. If you use Signal you have to resign yourself to the fact that everyone else who has your number will know you are on it. With Telegram, they'll know your username. I guess its to make things easier, but I wasn't comfortable with
    that software making announcements like that automatically.

    I may NOT WANT someone who has my number to know I'm using Signal.



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    if you don't want to be in the game, dont play in the game.
    that means dont be online. otherwise your info is out there.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Wed May 7 19:01:00 2025
    MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <681A86C3.15021.dove-gen@bbses.info>
    @REPLY: <6819D6E2.65020.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Tue May 06 2025 07:31 pm

    Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?


    i think boraxman is au
    Correct, but I'm speaking in general terms as Australia is following the same broad trends as the US, Canada, France, Germany, UK, etc.

    well i knew a few people online from the au and i think you guys are a
    bit worse in that area, as is canada and uk. americans still love their rights and fight for them; that is why they have to take creative
    measures to take them away from us. ---

    Inner city Australians desperately want to virtue signal that they are
    not like Trump. We do love authority more than Americans. We (not me personally) pride ourselves more on following rules, not bucking the trend.



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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Jimmy Anderson on Wed May 7 19:03:00 2025
    Jimmy Anderson wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <681AACB8.37283.dove-general@palantirbbs.ddns.net>
    @REPLY: <681941FD.65012.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    As for the right not being natural, but granted. The US Constitution recognizes that they are 'granted' by our Creator. That implies the
    Most High God - the Creator God - and not the government. I would
    say that we are not granted in the sense that they are granted by
    the government, but are 'granted' by our Creator at birth, which
    makes them natural.

    I'm speaking in general. I would argue that the "End of Democracy" doesn't mean
    you don't get to vote, it just means the system is not functionally a democracy.

    Gotcha! The issue here in Tennessee is there is a vocal group that
    claim they are not being heard. The way it works is that there are Representatives sent from different districts. Each district has ONE
    Rep that represents 70,000 ish people. Each Rep has the same vote as
    the next one. When 'majority rules' in the House of Representatives,
    there are some who stand up and say they aren't representing the views
    of everyone.

    Well... That's the definition of democracy, or representative republic. Everyone has an equal say, and majority rules. :-) It's just
    frustrating hearing them complain and say they are not being heard,
    when the truth is they ARE, but the state AS A WHOLE has sent more
    people to Congress that do NOT vote that way.

    We can see this in Germany, where the parties have ganged up to prvent
    a rising party, the jailing of Le Pen, the overturning of the Romanian election and Lawfare against Trump and the "fortifying" of the 2020 election. Could it outright disappear? Maybe, in some nations it
    could lead to fascism, but not right now. I think we'll see "managed demoracy", where a ruling elite gatekeep everything, effectively a one-party or one-ideology system in disguise.

    Yep - I think Trump is the exception to this... George Bush Sr. was
    VERY globally minded, so it's not just one party. The 'establishment' seems to strive to hold itself up, and historically speaking we ARE
    moving toward even a global gatekeeper society. And of course Daniel
    and John both saw this coming, so it shouldn't be a surprise. :-)



    With a Biblical worldview, I see the future EVENTUALLY being one world government, but I don't support that, nor do I push for it. I know it
    to be a 'future fact' is all. That being said, I beleive that the only true 'change' that will happen is one soul at a time.

    I think people are pushing for this, but I see it as unworkable. There are people who believe that the world could unite, there is "one humanity". They're
    mistaken, and we will pay dearly for them continiuing with this
    delusion.

    I think that is the very reason the AntiChrist will be able to have
    the
    sway over the nations - because he will bring peace and unity that the
    world hasn't seen since, as you mentioned, the Tower of Babal!


    This is why the leaders that be, are desperately trying to muddy up the culture and identity of Western countries, as they are seeking to eradicate long standing nations and replace us with a commercialised, homogenised "mass consumer" that has no national or cultural loyalty, and is easily pliable.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Jimmy Anderson on Wed May 7 07:41:11 2025
    Jimmy Anderson wrote to Boraxman <=-

    Gotcha! The issue here in Tennessee is there is a vocal group that
    claim they are not being heard. The way it works is that there are Representatives sent from different districts. Each district has ONE
    Rep that represents 70,000 ish people. Each Rep has the same vote as
    the next one. When 'majority rules' in the House of Representatives,
    there are some who stand up and say they aren't representing the views
    of everyone.

    My 15 year old daughter can't tell the difference between "You're not
    agreeing with me" and "You're not listening to me". Too often,
    contemporary politics mirrors her behavior. Either we need to up-level
    the level of political discourse, or she'll make one incredible
    politician... :)




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Wed May 7 12:57:52 2025
    Nightfox wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Re: Most memorable modern BBS
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Nightfox on Mon May 05 2025 05:51 pm

    What all nets do you have?

    I joined Battleship because it has a TON, but there's a 20 message limit per day...

    I'm connected to DOVE-Net, FSXNet, FidoNet, AgoraNet, HobbyNet,
    StarNet, MusicalNet, and DeveloperNet.

    Nightfox

    Awesome - thx - I have an account there - didn't realize it was
    Digital Distortion. Was thinking it was a different one. :-)

    Good to have a backup!


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Wed May 7 12:57:52 2025
    Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-


    This is why the leaders that be, are desperately trying to muddy up the culture and identity of Western countries, as they are seeking to eradicate long standing nations and replace us with a commercialised, homogenised "mass consumer" that has no national or cultural loyalty,
    and is easily pliable.

    I agree! My pastor is a Star Trek fan - mainly the old series. I mentioned
    one time that it's based on a one world government in the future - all wars have been done away with, etc. It was interesting watching his eyes open.

    :-)



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jimmy Anderson on Wed May 7 12:35:50 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Boraxman on Wed May 07 2025 12:57 pm

    I agree! My pastor is a Star Trek fan - mainly the old series. I mentioned one time that it's based on a one world government in the future - all wars have been done away with, etc. It was interesting watching his eyes open.

    :-)

    :) My wife and I are also Star Trek fans. I've been going to church with her for the past couple years, but I didn't grow up reading the bible or going to rhuch or anything, so I'm no expert in it.. but I have heard a world government is predicted in Revelations as a sign of end times, isn't it? I can see how Christians might be nervous about that, though I don't think it necessarily means it would be the end times. Star Trek tends to have a positive view of our future.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Wed May 7 19:08:26 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed May 07 2025 07:01 pm


    Inner city Australians desperately want to virtue signal that they are
    not like Trump. We do love authority more than Americans. We (not me personally) pride ourselves more on following rules, not bucking the trend.

    rules are fine, if they make sense.

    I just remember those 2 police officers jumping on an australian women because she wasn't wearing a mask in a park and they exposed her crotch (she had a dress on and they struggled with her and it was pulled up).

    That shit makes me mad and i think mob rule should kick in at that point and they should have got their asses beat severely.

    also there's this shit where you can go to jail for saying something people don't like. like this one lady in the uk spoke out against immigrants when she read a story about a muslim immigrant killing 3 girls. was the story true? who knows. the media over there is more fucked than the usa media.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/uk-woman-jailed-inciting-racial-hatred-not-posting-hurtful-words-2024-10-29/

    i'm sure nightfox would love that to happen because he cries when someone says the word shit.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jimmy Anderson on Wed May 7 19:11:27 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Boraxman on Wed May 07 2025 12:57 pm


    I agree! My pastor is a Star Trek fan - mainly the old series. I mentioned one time that it's based on a one world government in the future - all wars have been done away with, etc. It was interesting watching his eyes open.

    :-)


    yeah no money. people ran a restaurant because they felt like it.
    people were free to do whatever and better themselves.
    i doubt that would ever work.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Wed May 7 18:59:39 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Wed May 07 2025 07:08 pm

    i'm sure nightfox would love that to happen because he cries when someone says the word shit.

    Nope, doesn't bother me. It's always nice to see you throwing out random insults though.

    Nightfox

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 7 21:45:45 2025
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Jimmy Anderson wrote to Boraxman <=-

    Gotcha! The issue here in Tennessee is there is a vocal group that
    claim they are not being heard. The way it works is that there are Representatives sent from different districts. Each district has ONE
    Rep that represents 70,000 ish people. Each Rep has the same vote as
    the next one. When 'majority rules' in the House of Representatives,
    there are some who stand up and say they aren't representing the views
    of everyone.

    My 15 year old daughter can't tell the difference between "You're not agreeing with me" and "You're not listening to me". Too often, contemporary politics mirrors her behavior. Either we need to up-level
    the level of political discourse, or she'll make one incredible politician... :)

    I vote for the former, but the latter might be good too. :-)


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Wed May 7 21:45:45 2025
    Nightfox wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    I agree! My pastor is a Star Trek fan - mainly the old series. I mentioned one time that it's based on a one world government in the future - all wars have been done away with, etc. It was interesting watching his eyes open.

    :-)

    :) My wife and I are also Star Trek fans. I've been going to church
    with her for the past couple years, but I didn't grow up reading the
    bible or going to rhuch or anything, so I'm no expert in it.. but I

    Well same here. I do have a Christian blog and podcast, though, if you're interested... https://jimmylogan.substack.com

    have heard a world government is predicted in Revelations as a sign of
    end times, isn't it?

    As a sign? Not really - just something that WILL happen. Everything God
    led his prophets to predict has happened, so we can have confidence that
    the rest will too.

    I can see how Christians might be nervous about
    that,

    I don't get nervous about it. I know it WILL happen, because God said it
    will. From an evangalism point of view, it's the one soul at a time that
    will make a difference. :-)

    But yeah, some people do get nervous about it. They get nervous about
    the Antichrist and the whole thing. Don't get me wrong - I'm not
    excited to see it happen! But I'm not scared.

    2 Timothy 1:12 (NIRV) That's why I'm suffering the way I am.
    But I'm not ashamed. I know the one I have believed in.
    I'm sure he is able to take care of what I have given him.
    I can trust him with it until the day he returns as judge.

    though I don't think it necessarily means it would be the end
    times. Star Trek tends to have a positive view of our future.

    Ah! Very mature thinking! We were discussing this at "small group"
    tonight. I made the comment that the Bible doesn't technically
    predict "the third temple." The pastor said, "it's very clear that
    it does." I pointed out that the Antichrist will sit in the Holy
    Place, but it doesn't say the THIRD temple - just a temple at the
    time.

    So the point there is that when you see SOME things come to pass,
    it doesn't mean that it's THE end times, like you say.

    Like the one world government. It COULD spring up overnight, but
    I personally believe it will have already existed in some form for
    the Antichrist to be able to take it over. IOW, I don't think he
    will CREATE it - just that he will be in charge.



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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Thu May 8 11:38:00 2025
    MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <681AD975.15029.dove-gen@bbses.info>
    @REPLY: <681A885F.65027.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Wed May 07 2025 08:05 am


    Telegram allows you to hide your number, but not hide the fact you are using it. If you use Signal you have to resign yourself to the fact that everyone else who has your number will know you are on it. With Telegram, they'll know your username. I guess its to make things easier, but I wasn't comfortable with
    that software making announcements like that automatically.

    I may NOT WANT someone who has my number to know I'm using Signal.



    there is no such thing as privacy and there is no such thing as being safe. if you don't want to be in the game, dont play in the game.
    that means dont be online. otherwise your info is out there.

    Thats an obtuse take. There are certaintly degrees of privacy. I can
    choose to use my real name, put my real address, or not.

    You don't know my address, my phone number, where I work, do you?


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Jimmy Anderson on Thu May 8 11:42:00 2025
    Jimmy Anderson wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <681B9F20.37300.dove-general@palantirbbs.ddns.net>
    @REPLY: <681B21EA.65036.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-


    This is why the leaders that be, are desperately trying to muddy up the culture and identity of Western countries, as they are seeking to eradicate long standing nations and replace us with a commercialised, homogenised "mass consumer" that has no national or cultural loyalty,
    and is easily pliable.

    I agree! My pastor is a Star Trek fan - mainly the old series. I
    mentioned one time that it's based on a one world government in the
    future - all wars have been done away with, etc. It was interesting watching his eyes open.

    :-)


    Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is
    Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in
    the dustbin where it belongs...

    They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has
    failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is
    incredible.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Boraxman on Wed May 7 23:14:41 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Jimmy Anderson on Thu May 08 2025 11:42 am

    Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in the dustbin where it belongs...

    They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is incredible.


    You don't understand the difference between a dystopian future and a utopian future.

    It's not "baby boomer claptrap"

    Star Trek is fully automated, luxury, gay, space-communism.

    ...Don't force it, get a larger hammer.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Wed May 7 22:45:57 2025
    Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is
    Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in
    the dustbin where it belongs...

    They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has
    failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is
    incredible.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with having a hopeful view that humanity can improve. And ehat do you mean by "they were so arrogant to think they could make work what has failed throughout history"? Star Trek is fiction; nobody has actually made anything work.

    Also, Star Trek isn't all like that. Deep Space 9, for instance, shows some of the corruption of people and doesn't portray the future in a totally perfect light.

    Yes, the world isn't perfect. But as a work of fiction, I've often thought Star Trek had a sense of having ideals that we should be (not necessarily as we are).

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to DaiTengu on Wed May 7 22:50:48 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Jimmy Anderson on Thu May 08 2025 11:42 am

    You don't understand the difference between a dystopian future and a utopian future.

    It's not "baby boomer claptrap"

    "He doesn't understand!"

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uuKimFl3-G8/maxresdefault.jpg

    Nightfox

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  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to Jimmy Anderson on Thu May 8 02:23:25 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Snobsoft on Tue May 06 2025 07:43 pm

    Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-

    That is a very smart post from
    you. It shows how important it
    is
    to
    know that there are different
    perspectives, not just the one
    and
    only truth. Unfortunately, not
    many people are able to imagine
    other
    viewpoints and thus develop
    understanding accordingly.

    There are MANY perspectives and many
    viewpoints, but there is only one
    'truth' - or else it's not the
    truth.
    Either there is ONE TRUTH or
    there is no actual truth...



    Hmm - I have to think about that one :D

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Thu May 8 21:10:00 2025
    MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <681BF5FA.15036.dove-gen@bbses.info>
    @REPLY: <681B21E8.65035.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed May 07 2025 07:01 pm


    Inner city Australians desperately want to virtue signal that they are
    not like Trump. We do love authority more than Americans. We (not me personally) pride ourselves more on following rules, not bucking the trend.

    rules are fine, if they make sense.

    I just remember those 2 police officers jumping on an australian women because she wasn't wearing a mask in a park and they exposed her crotch (she had a dress on and they struggled with her and it was pulled up).

    That shit makes me mad and i think mob rule should kick in at that
    point and they should have got their asses beat severely.

    also there's this shit where you can go to jail for saying something people don't like. like this one lady in the uk spoke out against immigrants when she read a story about a muslim immigrant killing 3
    girls. was the story true? who knows. the media over there is more
    fucked than the usa media.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/uk-woman-jailed-inciting-racial-hatre d-not-posting-hurtful-words-2024-10-29/

    i'm sure nightfox would love that to happen because he cries when
    someone says the word shit. ---
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    That was one of many examples were the Police went and did the bidding
    of the thug government leaders. Victoria, under the reign of that
    scumbag Daniel Andrews saw situations were old ladies were pushed off
    benches, women assaulted, rubber bullets fired against protesters and
    pregnant woman having the police come to their home because of
    facebook posts. We were locked down long, hard, mostly for no good
    reason. We had curfews, under house arrest day after day, unable to
    go outside more than an hour at a time, and not at all after 9PM on
    some weeks. Melbourne can be quite Leftist, so there was support for
    this from some of those circles.


    As for the UK, I've seen a video were a man has *six* police officers
    turn up to his house to arrest him in front of his family for saying
    not-nice things about someone on social media. This is surely a joke,
    right, but there is video evidence of similar things. Anectodal
    claims could be dismissed, but VIDEO of UK police officers doing their politically motivated enforcement cannot be dismissed. The UK it
    seems is an occupied country. A government that attacks and
    threatents to jail its OWN people because they object to their
    children getting killed is a hostile, treasonous occupation goverment.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Nightfox on Thu May 8 21:18:00 2025
    Nightfox wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is
    Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in
    the dustbin where it belongs...

    They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has
    failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is
    incredible.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with having a hopeful view that humanity can improve. And ehat do you mean by "they were so arrogant to think they could make work what has failed throughout history"? Star
    Trek is fiction; nobody has actually made anything work.

    Also, Star Trek isn't all like that. Deep Space 9, for instance, shows some of the corruption of people and doesn't portray the future in a totally perfect light.

    Yes, the world isn't perfect. But as a work of fiction, I've often
    thought Star Trek had a sense of having ideals that we should be (not necessarily as we are).

    Nightfox

    Each generation seems to think that it has finally figured things out,
    is somehow different from the previous one, is going to solve long
    standing issues and rein in a new world order. This belief has been
    the cause of oppression, censorship, cancellation and murder since
    history began. The Hippies thought they were enlightened, that they
    can reject the structure of the past, and forge a new world order.
    Does not not strike as arrogance? Believe you, your generation, you
    are the one fated with the future of humanity? I can think of plenty
    of other examples where people believed this, and caused much misery.

    Of course, we have "woke" people now, who think THEY have it figured
    out, and they are cancelling and implementing their DEI or whatever.
    See every generation before them, (including the boomers) got it
    wrong, but they've figured it out. The next gen will do the same, so
    on. Same evil, over and over.

    I was probably a bit harsh on Star Trek, Original Series, I did enjoy
    it, but I recognise it as idealism, a product of its time, now very
    dated. Is it good TV? Sure! It is a model for the future? No, and
    it irks me that people still think it is, as if we've learned nothing
    since the 60s. Nothing ages faster like science fiction, as science
    fiction is often just "current day" values and prejudices in a future
    setting. The world changes, and what the future will be deviates more
    and more from how people imagined it should be. This problem is today
    we are now living with the point end of the stick of this idealism, so
    yes, its going to be met with a bit of rejection. Its time to let
    those old ideals go. We have to.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to DaiTengu on Thu May 8 21:27:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Jimmy Anderson
    on Thu May 08 2025 11:42 am

    Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in the dustbin where it belongs...

    They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is incredible.


    You don't understand the difference between a dystopian future and a utopian future.

    It's not "baby boomer claptrap"

    Star Trek is fully automated, luxury, gay, space-communism.

    I understand the difference between fantasy and reality.

    Depict whatever you like in fiction, but be clear of the difference
    between what works in fiction and what works in reality. Anyone can
    make their ideals work in fiction and convince people that real life
    would work according to their rules. *Atlas Shrugged* *cough* Trouble
    happens when people insist that the fictional ideology WOULD work, if
    only it were for said "bad" people ruining it. Therein lies danger,
    and issues which younger people today are having to bear the brunt of,
    and future generations are going to be emisserated by. I think it is
    quite likely that in some Western countries, blood will literally be
    shed as a result of these social experiments of the 20th century going
    wrong.

    As I said in another post, my comment came of harsh, after all, people
    back then didn't see the end result of their social experiment, and I
    do enjoy the first series of Star Trek.

    I think it's also fair to say they SHOULD have known better.
    Communism was already a proven deadly failure, and the dream of a "one
    world" is an old one with a bad history. So yeah, it seems a bit
    conceited to me to think you can suceed where everyone else failed.
    You will have to understand that younger people are going to reject
    these utopians ideals more and more as their lives are emisserated by
    it.

    The hippie ideals didn't pan out, but they insist its not they
    who were wrong, but everyone else. Its always the "idealists" that
    cause trouble. The most deadly belief system of the 20th century was "utopian".

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Nightfox on Thu May 8 15:00:34 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Nightfox to Jimmy Anderson on Wed May 07 2025 12:35 pm

    it? I can see how Christians might be nervous about that, though I don't think it necessarily means it would be the end times. Star Trek tends to

    True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Bogomips on Thu May 8 15:50:32 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Bogomips to Nightfox on Thu May 08 2025 03:00 pm

    it? I can see how Christians might be nervous about that, though I don't
    think it necessarily means it would be the end times. Star Trek tends to

    True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.

    Well yeah, though what I meant was just taking something as a sign that the rapture is going to happen soon.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Thu May 8 18:52:24 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 08 2025 11:38 am


    Thats an obtuse take. There are certaintly degrees of privacy. I can choose to use my real name, put my real address, or not.

    You don't know my address, my phone number, where I work, do you?

    if someone wanted to find out they could.
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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Nightfox on Fri May 9 04:25:13 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Nightfox to Bogomips on Thu May 08 2025 03:50 pm

    True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.

    Well yeah, though what I meant was just taking something as a sign that the rapture is going to happen soon.

    This is how I understand it, It has to do with Israel being established last century, and the rapture happening within a generation of that event. I am paraphrasing here.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to BORAXMAN on Fri May 9 09:23:16 2025
    Quoting Boraxman to Mro <=-

    there is no such thing as privacy and there is no such thing as being safe. if you don't want to be in the game, dont play in the game.
    that means dont be online. otherwise your info is out there.

    Thats an obtuse take. There are certaintly degrees of privacy. I can choose to use my real name, put my real address, or not.

    Wow! Good one, I haven't seen that one used in a while! I can see your
    point, but MRO also makes some sense.

    You don't know my address, my phone number, where I work, do you?

    I doubt that anyone in this arena would take the time to look you up
    for no reason, but look at how much data is collected on all of us.
    There are businesses based on removing personal data for run of the
    mill people who are harrassed by unwanted solicitation constantly. It's
    big business to know all about everyone. Your data (you) are money to
    them.

    If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
    really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
    Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
    outweigh the cons...

    JMO as usual.

    Cougar

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to BORAXMAN on Fri May 9 09:23:16 2025
    Quoting Boraxman to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    I agree! My pastor is a Star Trek fan - mainly the old series. I
    mentioned one time that it's based on a one world government in the
    future - all wars have been done away with, etc. It was interesting watching his eyes open.

    Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is
    Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in
    the dustbin where it belongs...

    They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has
    failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is incredible.

    Wow. Star Trek was/is entertainment. What sort of claptrap do you
    consider entertainment? What do you find fun to watch?

    Not being contentious, just curious.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to NIGHTFOX on Fri May 9 09:23:16 2025
    Quoting Nightfox to Daitengu <=-

    You don't understand the difference between a dystopian future and a utopian future.

    It's not "baby boomer claptrap"

    "He doesn't understand!"

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uuKimFl3-G8/maxresdefault.jpg

    Nightfox

    I tried, but couldn't get the link to work. I may displaying my
    failings - but...

    Cougar

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Fri May 9 08:48:18 2025
    Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Jimmy Anderson wrote to Boraxman <=-

    Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is
    Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in
    the dustbin where it belongs...

    They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has
    failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is incredible.

    It's fiction. They might be 'pushing that agenda,' but it's still
    fiction. :-)



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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Fri May 9 08:48:18 2025
    Nightfox wrote to Boraxman <=-

    Yes, the world isn't perfect. But as a work of fiction, I've often
    thought Star Trek had a sense of having ideals that we should be (not necessarily as we are).

    The original series would end with such things - a sense of 'boy, if
    only we could all be like that' or 'such peace - let's hope all of
    mankind can follow.'


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Snobsoft on Fri May 9 08:48:18 2025
    Snobsoft wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    That is a very smart post from
    you. It shows how important it
    is
    to
    know that there are different
    perspectives, not just the one
    and
    only truth. Unfortunately, not
    many people are able to imagine
    other
    viewpoints and thus develop
    understanding accordingly.

    There are MANY perspectives and many
    viewpoints, but there is only one
    'truth' - or else it's not the
    truth.
    Either there is ONE TRUTH or
    there is no actual truth...



    Hmm - I have to think about that one :D

    Please do! I meant it serious! Let me know what you come up with please!


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Fri May 9 08:48:18 2025
    Boraxman wrote to DaiTengu <=-

    Depict whatever you like in fiction, but be clear of the difference between what works in fiction and what works in reality. Anyone can
    make their ideals work in fiction and convince people that real life
    would work according to their rules. *Atlas Shrugged* *cough* Trouble happens when people insist that the fictional ideology WOULD work, if
    only it were for said "bad" people ruining it. Therein lies danger,
    and issues which younger people today are having to bear the brunt of,
    and future generations are going to be emisserated by. I think it is quite likely that in some Western countries, blood will literally be
    shed as a result of these social experiments of the 20th century going wrong.

    I see where you are coming from. It did depict a utopian future, and
    might have been meant as an 'encouragement' for what we can accomplish
    if we only work together. That's nothing new, as you pointed out...

    Communism was already a proven deadly failure, and the dream of a "one world" is an old one with a bad history.

    Goes back to Nimrod. Babylon, of course, was an early attempt to bring everything under one empire. Fast forward to Alexander the Great,
    and then REALLY fast forward to the British Empire. They didn't manage
    to take in the whole world, but as the saying goes, "the sun never set"
    on it. :-)

    Then came the war to end all wars (later renamed World War I), followed
    by the League of Nations - an attempt to prevent future conflict. But
    America wouldn't give up its sovereignty. After WWII, we got another
    shot with the United Nations.

    Even Reagan said that an alien attack would bring the world together
    like nothing else. And George Bush Sr. was VERY New World Order-centric.

    So it's not just the Democrats - it's the establishment in general.
    That's one of the reasons I like Trump's "America First" sentiment.
    I know global unification will still happen eventually, but
    I'm fine with delaying it. LOL

    The hippie ideals didn't pan out, but they insist its not they
    who were wrong, but everyone else. Its always the "idealists" that
    cause trouble. The most deadly belief system of the 20th century was "utopian".

    Yep. Which, as I've said before, the Christian way is one soul at a
    time! :-)



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Boraxman on Fri May 9 06:49:27 2025
    Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-

    since the 60s. Nothing ages faster like science fiction, as science fiction is often just "current day" values and prejudices in a future setting.

    And fashion. I love some of the Gerry/Sylvia Anderson visions of the
    future (1980! 1999!) that's obviously an extrapolation of the '70s.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Boraxman on Fri May 9 06:49:27 2025
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    Star Trek is fully automated, luxury, gay, space-communism.

    I understand the difference between fantasy and reality.

    They never really show what it's like to be a civilian in a Star Trek
    universe. Some books discuss it, but they're not canon. Imagine a world
    where power no longer requires the exploitation of resources or people -
    you could set up a matter/antimatter reactor and power a city without
    waste products. How would that change economies when there's no more
    scarcity? Want a diamond? With enough energy, you could turn charcoal
    briquets into a necklace. Need to create fresh water? Done, no more
    territorial conflicts over a brackish river border. Food? Done. take a
    CHON matrix and turn it into whatever food you want.

    The part they do talk about in Star Trek is that abandoning accumulating
    wealth allows people to free their time to work for the betterment of
    mankind.






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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Fri May 9 23:12:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 08 2025 11:38 am


    Thats an obtuse take. There are certaintly degrees of privacy. I can choose to use my real name, put my real address, or not.

    You don't know my address, my phone number, where I work, do you?

    if someone wanted to find out they could.
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    I just leave my car idling with the keys in the ignition when I go
    shopping. Someone informed me that some people are capable of
    stealing the car even when its locked, so I don't bother anymore.
    Same with the house, as people can break in through the security door
    anyway, even when I've locked it, I just leave the doors open all day.
    In fast, I just dump my valuables on the lawn.

    May as well get rid of those pesky passwords on my accounts now...

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Bogomips on Fri May 9 10:22:42 2025
    Bogomips wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Nightfox to Jimmy Anderson on Wed May 07 2025 12:35 pm

    it? I can see how Christians might be nervous about that, though I don't think it necessarily means it would be the end times. Star Trek tends to

    True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.

    Even take the rapture out of the equation, Christians should be anxious
    for nothing. :-)

    Or to be more clear, Christians shouldn't allow ANYTHING to make them
    nervous.



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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Fri May 9 10:22:42 2025
    Nightfox wrote to Bogomips <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Bogomips to Nightfox on Thu May 08 2025 03:00 pm

    it? I can see how Christians might be nervous about that, though I don't
    think it necessarily means it would be the end times. Star Trek tends to

    True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.

    Well yeah, though what I meant was just taking something as a sign that the rapture is going to happen soon.

    That's why I'm in the minority I think... Most people I know are like, "come
    on Jesus - take us out of here" while I think "no - please wait - there are still people that MIGHT come to Jesus."


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Bogomips on Fri May 9 10:22:42 2025
    Bogomips wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Nightfox to Bogomips on Thu May 08 2025 03:50 pm

    True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.

    Well yeah, though what I meant was just taking something as a sign that the rapture is going to happen soon.

    This is how I understand it, It has to do with Israel being established last century, and the rapture happening within a generation of that
    event. I am paraphrasing here.

    NOT trying to get into a debate here, but yeah there are SO many ways you
    can interpret that. Like any true prophecy, you only KNOW it happened
    once it HAS happened...

    Isreal became a nation in the eyes of the world in 1947 - people said a generation was 70 years - so that put it toward the end of the 20th
    century. Putting other things with it (the EU was a big talking point
    in the 80's) meant people looked for it by 1999.

    Here's the thing, though. Isreal IS a 'legal nation' but it still does
    NOT encompass the land promised by God to Abram/Abraham, so has that
    part of the prophecy been fulfilled or not?


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 9 11:10:55 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Fri May 09 2025 06:49 am


    I understand the difference between fantasy and reality.

    They never really show what it's like to be a civilian in a Star Trek universe. Some books discuss it, but they're not canon. Imagine a world

    deep space 9 did. sisco's father ran a restaurant.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Fri May 9 11:14:51 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri May 09 2025 11:12 pm

    I just leave my car idling with the keys in the ignition when I go
    shopping. Someone informed me that some people are capable of
    stealing the car even when its locked, so I don't bother anymore.
    Same with the house, as people can break in through the security door anyway, even when I've locked it, I just leave the doors open all day.
    In fast, I just dump my valuables on the lawn.



    if somone wants to do something like that, they could.
    you're just protecting yourself from the lowest level of criminals.

    regarding that car shit i lived in an area where people were using flippers or something to open up cars and steal from them. i've also seen people on camera steal a car and drive it away by stealing the signal from a nearby fob.

    bmw's can be stolen by hooking into them via the headlight underneath the car. I have a kia that can be started with a screwdriver.

    now back to the internet:

    if you put something out there, it's not safe. that's been proven many times. you don't know what the other end is doing with your information and passwords.

    you dont know what these world govts can really do with what you consider is secure info.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jimmy Anderson on Fri May 9 09:56:06 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 10:22 am

    Isreal became a nation in the eyes of the world in 1947 - people said a generation was 70 years - so that put it toward the end of the 20th century.

    1947 + 70 is 2017..

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Fri May 9 09:57:44 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri May 09 2025 11:12 pm

    I just leave my car idling with the keys in the ignition when I go shopping.

    Why? I'd rather not waste the gas and add wear & tear to my car.. Also when I get groceries, it could sometimes take about an hour by the time I'm done getting through the store & waiting in the checkout line to pay.. I'm not going to leave my car idling for an hour while I shop.

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Jimmy Anderson on Fri May 9 10:47:37 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 10:22 am

    True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.

    Even take the rapture out of the equation, Christians should be anxious
    for nothing. :-)

    Or to be more clear, Christians shouldn't allow ANYTHING to make them nervous.

    That's a fact. Something I struggle with all the time. Nobodys perfect, but I can aspire to let God handle everything.

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Jimmy Anderson on Fri May 9 10:52:39 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 10:22 am

    Here's the thing, though. Isreal IS a 'legal nation' but it still does
    NOT encompass the land promised by God to Abram/Abraham, so has that
    part of the prophecy been fulfilled or not?

    Isn't that Jerusalem?

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Bogomips on Fri May 9 13:37:29 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Bogomips to Snobsoft on Fri May 02 2025 07:06 am

    I was stationed in Germany in the early 80's and what I liked was the Deutchlanders really only said what they meant. No "wells, ifs or what ifs".
    Indeed. No unnecessary pleasantries or smiles either. :-)
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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Fri May 9 17:16:00 2025
    Nightfox wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 10:22 am

    Isreal became a nation in the eyes of the world in 1947 - people said a generation was 70 years - so that put it toward the end of the 20th century.

    1947 + 70 is 2017..

    Yeah, just saying that in the 80's they were saying "it's coming up fast!" kinda thing. Not LITERALLY 1999, but 'won't be long now' - but of course
    that didn't happen. :-)



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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Bogomips on Fri May 9 17:16:00 2025
    Bogomips wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 10:22 am

    True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.

    Even take the rapture out of the equation, Christians should be anxious
    for nothing. :-)

    Or to be more clear, Christians shouldn't allow ANYTHING to make them nervous.

    That's a fact. Something I struggle with all the time. Nobodys perfect, but I can aspire to let God handle everything.

    At church, we've been holding each other accountable, and pledging to
    commit EVERY day to God. If we start the day that way, we have a
    higher tendency to follow Him, follow His lead, etc.


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Bogomips on Fri May 9 17:16:00 2025
    Bogomips wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 10:22 am

    Here's the thing, though. Isreal IS a 'legal nation' but it still does
    NOT encompass the land promised by God to Abram/Abraham, so has that
    part of the prophecy been fulfilled or not?

    Isn't that Jerusalem?

    Actually, the Bible records a much larger promise than just Jerusalem.
    Here's the key passage where God outlines the full extent of the land
    promised to Abram:

    Genesis 15:18021 (KJV)
    In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying,
    Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the
    great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenites, and the Kenizzites,
    and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
    And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

    That's a massive region stretching roughly from Egypt to Iraq, covering
    far more than just Jerusalem. It includes large parts of what are now
    Israel, the Palestinian territories, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and beyond.

    Here's a map that visualizes this promise: https://cdapress.com/photos/2021/nov/14/368891

    This land grant is often called the Abrahamic Covenant, and while
    not all of it has ever been fully possessed at once, it remains a
    foundational promise in Scripture.

    So - pertaining to my last comment, does the 'generation that sees
    this' refer to what happened in 1947? Or once this is complete?


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Bogomips on Fri May 9 19:36:23 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Bogomips to Jimmy Anderson on Fri May 09 2025 10:47 am

    nervous.

    That's a fact. Something I struggle with all the time. Nobodys perfect, but I can aspire to let God handle everything.


    i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for god to give me strength and help me to be a good man.
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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Sat May 10 01:10:36 2025
    MRO wrote to Bogomips <=-

    That's a fact. Something I struggle with all the time. Nobodys perfect, but I can aspire to let God handle everything.


    i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for god
    to give me strength and help me to be a good man. ---

    Do you think you're a good person?


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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Digital Man on Sat May 10 07:55:10 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Digital Man to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 01:37 pm

    I was stationed in Germany in the early 80's and what I liked was the Deutchlanders really only said what they meant. No "wells, ifs or what ifs".
    Indeed. No unnecessary pleasantries or smiles either. :-)

    If you want to see a Fraulein smile, pull out a pack of American Cigarettes.

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to MRO on Sat May 10 07:59:35 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 07:36 pm

    That's a fact. Something I struggle with all the time. Nobodys perfect, but I can aspire to let God handle everything.


    i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for god to give me strength and help me to be a good man.

    That's all anyone can ask/pray for. Guidance.

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  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to Jimmy Anderson on Sat May 10 10:20:20 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Snobsoft on Fri May 09 2025 08:48 am

    That is a very smart post
    from
    you. It shows how important
    it
    is
    to
    know that there are
    different
    perspectives, not just the
    one
    and
    only truth. Unfortunately,
    not
    many people are able to
    imagine
    other
    viewpoints and thus develop
    understanding accordingly.

    There are MANY perspectives and
    many
    viewpoints, but there is only one
    'truth' - or else it's not the
    truth.
    Either there is ONE TRUTH or
    there is no actual truth...



    Hmm - I have to think about
    that
    one :D

    Please do! I meant it serious! Let
    me
    know what you come up with please!

    I meant it seriously too. I've always thought about it from time to time throughout the day. Something's coming.

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Jimmy Anderson on Sat May 10 22:40:44 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Nightfox on Fri May 09 2025 08:48:18

    The original series would end with such things
    - a sense of 'boy, if only we could all be
    like that' or 'such peace - let's hope all of
    mankind can follow.'

    If you want to see an episode that bucked the traditional ending, watch "City on the Edge of Forever". It was written by Harlan Ellison and was a Hugo Award winner.

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to All on Sat May 10 22:45:30 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Snobsoft on Fri May 09 2025 08:48:18

    ... Does the Little Mermaid wear an algaebra?

    I'll bet it was a sea-cup.

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Sat May 10 23:46:20 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Fri May 09 2025 09:57:44

    ...& waiting in the checkout line to pay..

    Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot
    quicker.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Mortar on Sun May 11 00:19:23 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Mortar to Jimmy Anderson on Sat May 10 2025 10:40 pm

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Nightfox on Fri May 09 2025 08:48:18

    The original series would end with such things
    - a sense of 'boy, if only we could all be
    like that' or 'such peace - let's hope all of
    mankind can follow.'

    If you want to see an episode that bucked the traditional ending, watch "City on the Edge of Forever". It was written by Harlan Ellison and was a Hugo Award winner.


    yeah that was a good one but didnt harlan get pissed off about it? didnt they change it or something and he wanted his name off it? i know everything pissed that guy off, though.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mortar on Sun May 11 13:03:47 2025
    Re: Checking Out
    By: Mortar to Nightfox on Sun May 11 2025 12:42 pm

    Also, not all grocery stores where I live have self-checkout.

    Same here, but those are the smaller mom-and-pop and boutique stores. 'Course, those have fewer customers, so it's not a big deal.

    Where I am, even some Wal-Mart locations eliminated self-checkout after adding them several years ago.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Kaboom on Sun May 11 17:50:07 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Kaboom to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 10:55 am

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Bogomips on Sat May 10 2025 07:18 pm

    exists. The funny thing is, the people that don't believe in god think about god more than anybody else.

    Why think about god? We try to understand the brain washing that it took to effect the masses.


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Sun May 11 20:12:43 2025
    MRO wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    god
    to give me strength and help me to be a good man. ---

    Do you think you're a good person?

    I try to be a good person every day and i put other people ahead of me
    and I try to put myself in other people's shoes. I certainly don't do bad things. I also do what some would consider 'good things' without shooting videos or calling newspapers or telling people about it.

    Like my hooker killings. dirty whores deserve to die.

    Okay - tongue in cheek humor aside, can I ask you some questions and you
    be honest with the answers? If so, I'd like you to prove to yourself that
    you are NOT a good person...


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Sun May 11 20:12:43 2025
    MRO wrote to Bogomips <=-

    i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for god to give me strength and help me to be a good man.

    That's all anyone can ask/pray for. Guidance.

    god gives you everything you need when you are born. i always say that god is not superman. he's not there to fly down and rescue you all the time. and he's not there to knock on your door and tell you that he exists. The funny thing is, the people that don't believe in god think about god more than anybody else. ---

    Gonna disagree a little with you, while agreeing overall... I believe that
    we are given everything in nature that we need to see to know that God
    exists. But He also will 'knock on your heart' as an individual. We call
    that the Spirit calling you.

    And maybe not a rescue, like Superman, but if you are in fellowship
    with Him, you'll follow and do what He wants you to do.



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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Sun May 11 20:12:43 2025
    Boraxman wrote to Bogomips <=-

    I'm willing to place a very large bet that there will be no rapture.

    That's a safe bet, cause if you lose there's no one left to pay you! :-)

    What is it with US Christians and the obession with Israel?

    It's not about nationalism - it's about Scripture. Many Christians
    support Israel because of biblical promises like Genesis 12:3, where
    God says to Abram:

    "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse;
    and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

    This is often understood as applying not just to Abraham personally,
    but to his descendants - including the nation of Israel. That's why
    many Christians take Israel seriously in both spiritual and
    geopolitical discussions.



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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Sun May 11 20:12:43 2025
    Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Actully, this idea that we could unite, is a particularly Western
    idea, probably British. See, *we* assume that. Because we are
    projecting our values system onto the rest of the world. We believe
    there can be universal values, that we can share, but really, this is
    us projecting our own *parochial* values.

    Yep - when we are the ones that are 'right,' it's easy to see that the
    rest should follow along. :-)

    See, this idea is us
    pushing OUR values onto the rest of the world! So for the world to "unite", it actually means they must accept and subscribe to OUR
    values at the expense of theirs.

    Or another set of values, that is not made known yet.

    Western arrogance just assumes the
    rest of the world will see the supremacy of *our* ideas and follow
    *our* path. Universal ethics is a predominantly Western invention,
    with some elements in Abrahamic religion. Islam does have something
    like this (hence the clash, but much of the rest of the world doesn't. Their values system doesn't work that way.

    If enough countries give up their soverign nature, though, it could
    still happen. If America stops being "America first," for example, we
    could easily shift to a European set of ideals, or Germanic, etc.

    Hence why it was alway a pipedream, and why this experiment will end
    in tears. Its a vision that never really will exist outside of the Anglosphere, because its a specifically Anglosphere idea, with some of Europe kind of half heartedly following the lead.

    Gonna disagree. :-) The Bible prophecies say it will happen, so I believe
    it WILL happen. Exactly how is not stated, just that the Antichrist will
    be the world leader. For him to be a one world leader there has to be
    a one world joining.

    In short, what Captain Kirk was saying, was essentially only going to work, if we could be culturally imperialistic enough to force our
    Western values on the rest of the world, which paradoxically, only
    works if you are NOT tolerant of other beliefs! (which leads to
    resentment and conflict).

    Which means, as you say, ONE BELIEF system will have to trump the
    others. Chritianity says Jesus is the ONLY way to God; Jews believe
    He was a fake; Muslims have another way to God; people into spiritulism
    believe something else; etc.

    ALL religions can come under one umbrella ONLY if they give up their
    own beliefs, which could very well be what eventually happens...


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Sun May 11 20:12:43 2025
    Nightfox wrote to Mortar <=-

    Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot quicker.

    There's often a line for that too. Also, not all grocery stores where
    I live have self-checkout. And there are some that added it a few
    years ago (during covid) but then removed it.

    Wow - most Wal-Marts around me have one or two 'checkers' and the rest
    are ALL self check out...

    Course I use their delivery service TO MY DOOR. :-)



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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to MRO on Sun May 11 18:42:52 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Bogomips on Sat May 10 2025 07:18 pm

    god is not superman. he's not there to fly down and rescue you

    Why is there something rather than nothing. Easy answer. God. Without cause there would be no universe. Atheism wonders, if God caused the universe who caused God. I am the Alpha and Omega says the Lord, the first and the last.

    What eternity means we cannot say. We are like dogs looking at calculus equations on a blackboard. Dogs can do some tricks but will never understand calculus. It is beyond their intellectual design limits.

    We are the same compared to God. He exists in a higher dimension. We are limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human philosophy or scientific observation.

    God gave humans free will. He could intervene to stop evil, but that would contradict the meaning of free will. Logically, it must play out. Until the Kingdom comes, pray.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to MRO on Sun May 11 21:35:56 2025
    Quoting Mro to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for
    god
    to give me strength and help me to be a good man. ---

    Do you think you're a good person?

    I try to be a good person every day and i put other people ahead of me
    and I try to put myself in other people's shoes. I certainly don't
    do bad things. I also do what some would consider 'good things'
    without shooting videos or calling newspapers or telling people about
    it.
    Like my hooker killings. dirty whores deserve to die.


    Uh... OK!

    Wait. Your kidding right? Pulling my leg?

    No?

    Wow...


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jimmy Anderson on Sun May 11 21:50:12 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 08:12 pm

    If so, I'd like you to prove to yourself that
    you are NOT a good person...


    so you want me to prove to myself that i'm NOT a good person?
    you don't even know me. how do you think that there would even be any type of proof?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jimmy Anderson on Sun May 11 21:52:35 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jimmy Anderson to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 08:12 pm

    we are given everything in nature that we need to see to know that God exists. But He also will 'knock on your heart' as an individual. We call that the Spirit calling you.



    i actually had god talk to me and work through me. god told me a friend of mine was in danger and i saved them.

    I did several out of character things to do this. I did a B&E on someone I had not seen in a long time.

    There was no doubt in my mind what was happening and the outcome was that my friend ended up being alive and their child still had a parent. several things with no explaination also happened. and i'm no religious nut. i havent been to church since i was like 10.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jcurtis on Sun May 11 21:54:34 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jcurtis to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 06:42 pm

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Bogomips on Sat May 10 2025 07:18 pm

    god is not superman. he's not there to fly down and rescue you

    Why is there something rather than nothing. Easy answer. God. Without cause there would be no universe. Atheism wonders, if God caused the universe who caused God. I am the Alpha and Omega says the Lord, the first and the last.

    What eternity means we cannot say. We are like dogs looking at calculus equations on a blackboard. Dogs can do some tricks but will never understand calculus. It is beyond their intellectual design limits.

    We are the same compared to God. He exists in a higher dimension. We are limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human philosophy or scientific observation.

    God gave humans free will. He could intervene to stop evil, but that would contradict the meaning of free will. Logically, it must play out. Until the Kingdom comes, pray.


    we should probably take this religious shit to the religion sub
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Cougar428 on Sun May 11 21:55:26 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 09:35 pm

    Uh... OK!

    Wait. Your kidding right? Pulling my leg?

    No?

    Wow...


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  • From jimmylogan@VERT/DIGDIST to Jcurtis on Sun May 11 20:12:04 2025
    Jcurtis wrote to MRO <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Bogomips on Sat May 10 2025 07:18 pm

    god is not superman. he's not there to fly down and rescue you

    Why is there something rather than nothing. Easy answer. God. Without cause there would be no universe. Atheism wonders, if God caused the universe who caused God. I am the Alpha and Omega says the Lord, the
    first and the last.

    He is outside time, space and matter. So we can't describe Him in terms
    that are limited by these. Also means we can't fathom what is outside
    the universe!

    What eternity means we cannot say. We are like dogs looking at calculus equations on a blackboard. Dogs can do some tricks but will never understand calculus. It is beyond their intellectual design limits.

    Great way to put it!

    We are the same compared to God. He exists in a higher dimension. We
    are limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human
    philosophy or scientific observation.

    God gave humans free will. He could intervene to stop evil, but that
    would contradict the meaning of free will. Logically, it must play out. Until the Kingdom comes, pray.

    Yep! I've had people say, if God is so 'good,' why is there so much evil
    in the world? I've answered, "if God should get rid of evil, should He
    start with you or me?"




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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Sun May 11 22:22:00 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 11:22 pm

    I get what you mean, I'm just saying that lets say my daughter is on
    the Internet. Shes going to be safer not giving away her age,
    address, phone number or school she goes to. I argue, that if she
    doesn't give away this information say, in the lobby of an online
    game, then it DOES help against predators.

    my step daughter was actually talking to a guy and he was using textme to hide his info and dude wanted to show up to the house for sex. she said she was older than what she was as did he. i found him and told his whole family what he was doing. i even told his grandmother.

    you can pretty much find someone online if you know where to look. if you combine throwing in money it's almost a sure thing. you could even go the legal route and have them find someone if they committed a crime or you say they did.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Cougar428 on Mon May 12 19:22:38 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to MRO on Mon May 12 2025 11:08 am

    where do you live

    I'm sure you could find out, but hey I was being facetious...

    Not sure about you sometimes. Don't knock on my door...

    OH, I won't be KNOCKING on your door.
    see you soon, friend.

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Mortar on Mon May 12 17:44:43 2025
    Re: Checking Out
    By: Mortar to Nightfox on Sat May 10 2025 11:46 pm

    Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot
    quicker.

    Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Jcurtis on Mon May 12 17:58:49 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jcurtis to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 06:42 pm

    limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human philosophy or scientific observation.

    Then why bother discussing about 'him'?

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Boraxman on Mon May 12 18:05:14 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Jimmy Anderson on Mon May 12 2025 06:22 pm

    It makes me think its less about scripture and more about influence and manipulation. I'm from an Orthodox family myself, and Israel doesn't
    really factor into much at all.

    :O. I am shocked and appalled! How could think such things?

    "Man, you ain't Paul."

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to phigan on Mon May 12 18:02:03 2025
    Re: Checking Out
    By: phigan to Mortar on Mon May 12 2025 05:44 pm

    Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.

    There's a popular chain of grocery stores in my area (WinCo) that has relatively low prices. They have checkers, but you have to bag your own stuff (which they say contributes to keeping their prices low). They've always been like that.

    Nightfox

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 07:59:00 2025
    Jcurtis wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <68236E13.133589.dove-gen@vert.synchro.net>
    @REPLY: <68230C3D.65205.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to phigan on
    Tue May 13 2025 06:59 pm

    Its amusing that people can both simultaneously state that "He" is
    beyond all comprehension and understanding, AND also state to know
    exactly what He wants, what His plans are and what He thinks.

    That's not how it is. Jesus said if they don't believe Moses they won't believe miracles either.


    In the end, it comes down to whether you believe a claim made by another human being or not, and for me, I generally don't.

    I'm not close minded, I have experienced things that defy explanation myself, but I need to see/experience something myself to believe.

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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to Boraxman on Tue May 13 22:04:33 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 07:59 am

    I need to see/experience something myself to believe

    Caution is wise. Jesus said false Christs and false prophets would arise and mislead many. God and religion are not the same thing.

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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to PHIGAN on Tue May 13 21:06:00 2025
    PHIGAN wrote to MORTAR <=-

    Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.
    Because of the decadent fast food wage in California they added self checkouts, but seniors, disabled or people who are techphobes can be served by someone.


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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to NIGHTFOX on Tue May 13 21:07:00 2025
    NIGHTFOX wrote to PHIGAN <=-

    Re: Checking Out
    By: phigan to Mortar on Mon May 12 2025 05:44 pm

    There's a popular chain of grocery stores in my area (WinCo) that has relatively low prices. They have checkers, but you have to bag your
    own stuff (which they say contributes to keeping their prices low). They've always been like that.
    I like WinCo, they have a good in house pizza place.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Jcurtis on Tue May 13 23:04:28 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jcurtis to Boraxman on Tue May 13 2025 10:04 pm

    Caution is wise. Jesus said false Christs and false prophets would arise and mislead many. God and religion are not the same thing.

    I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Wed May 14 01:40:19 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Digital Man to Jcurtis on Tue May 13 2025 11:04 pm

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jcurtis to Boraxman on Tue May 13 2025 10:04 pm

    Caution is wise. Jesus said false Christs and false prophets would

    arise
    and mislead many. God and religion are not the same thing.

    I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(

    yeah i've mentioned that they should use the religious sub a few times. normally i move a post and reply there but that never does any good to move stuff.
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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to MRO on Wed May 14 08:01:50 2025
    Quoting Mro to Cougar428 <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to MRO on Tue May 13 2025 08:45 am

    Now I know your coming. I'd like you to say hello to my little
    friend... No not the fly fisherman, my Remington.

    you are probably a horrible aim.

    Maybe, but it doesn't matter since I only use triple aught buckshot.
    It'll make swiss cheese holier than thou.

    Have a great day Mr O.!

    you said my name wrong.

    No I didn't.

    Have a wonderful day!

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Wed May 14 07:46:06 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Wed May 07 2025 08:05 am

    Telegram allows you to hide your number, but not hide the fact you are using it. If you use Signal you have to resign yourself to the fact that everyone else who has your number will know you are on it. With Telegram, they'll know your username. I guess its to make things easier, but I wasn't comfortable with
    that software making announcements like that automatically.

    From the link I posted:


    New default: Your phone number will no longer be visible to everyone in Signal. If you use Signal, your phone number will no longer be visible to everyone you chat with by default.

    [...]

    If you don’t want people to be able to find you by searching for your phone number on Signal, you can now enable a new, optional privacy setting. This means that unless people have your exact unique username, they won’t be able to start a conversation, or even know that you have a Signal account – even if they have your phone number.

    <<


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Cougar428 on Wed May 14 08:10:58 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am

    If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
    really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
    Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
    outweigh the cons...

    I think this is lamb mentality.

    My experience is that most people who don't want to take good operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.

    I am official Captain Paranoia in my workplace and everybody laughts at my back, except when they pickpocketed one of the accountants and stole a pendrive loaded with private accounting information. Then nobody laughted at the funny pen drive with an encryption chipset.

    There are lots of places in which you can still have safe Internet interations with cool people as long as you don't play it stupid. If you want to use Facebook using a clearnet connection because you are doomed anyway then that is on you.




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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 14 08:19:40 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Fri May 09 2025 06:49 am

    They never really show what it's like to be a civilian in a Star Trek universe. Some books discuss it, but they're not canon. Imagine a world where power no longer requires the exploitation of resources or people -
    you could set up a matter/antimatter reactor and power a city without
    waste products. How would that change economies when there's no more scarcity? Want a diamond? With enough energy, you could turn charcoal briquets into a necklace. Need to create fresh water? Done, no more territorial conflicts over a brackish river border. Food? Done. take a
    CHON matrix and turn it into whatever food you want.

    The part they do talk about in Star Trek is that abandoning accumulating wealth allows people to free their time to work for the betterment of mankind.

    Something that these shows fail to address when they deal with "post scarcity" economies is that removing scarcity of natural resources and manufactured goods does not actually cause the end of scarcity.

    See, in a world in which you can manufacture anything at zero cost, you still need manpower to fight the Klingons. Humans still need time to be "manufactured". Good luck putting your unlimited arsenal to use with a limited number of capable officers and soldiers.

    It gets better: I might be filthy rich (because "somebody" produces all the stuff I want at zero cost) except I might be a short, ugly fuck with no charisma. Since human females are in a limited supply that means I don't get a girlfriend, no emotional support nor nothing, therefore I end up blowing my brains out with a blaster because I am lonely and the next day they find my corpse laying on a mound of gold and diamonds and other no-cost stuff. Heck, in a material post- scarcity scenario loneliness would get really bad because at that point you can't rent a hooker nor possess material wealth to talk about because everybody is on the same footing.


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  • From Foriest Jan Smith@VERT/NGMBBS to Mortar on Wed May 14 11:00:44 2025
    Re: Checking Out
    By: Mortar to Nightfox on Sat May 10 2025 23:46:20

    Hate to butt in, but we wouldn't even have this problem if stores weren't too lazy to fully staff lines like they did, once upon a time.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to jimmylogan on Wed May 14 08:34:43 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: jimmylogan to Jcurtis on Sun May 11 2025 08:12 pm

    Yep! I've had people say, if God is so 'good,' why is there so much evil
    in the world? I've answered, "if God should get rid of evil, should He
    start with you or me?"

    In accordance to my BBS motto which everybody knows and loves, it makes no difference. Let the powers that are prune the population in the order they desire XD


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Bogomips on Wed May 14 08:48:02 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Bogomips to jimmylogan on Tue May 13 2025 04:42 am

    Love someone else, other than God?


    Actually I think the modern interpretation of the Bible is that you are supposed to love other humans at least as much as you love God.

    There is all this New Testament approach of "Whatever you think [Jesus] would do for the people, do it yourselves" which is the functional reason why Christianism is not retrocompatible with Judaism. The whole New Testament feels like a nerf against a doctrine that used to be about gaining strength and power through faith and feats. I don't think the New Testament is easy to reconciliate with the Old One, which I think is the reason why modern Catholics focus so much on Christ but don't touch earlier theology that much.


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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Arelor on Wed May 14 10:09:04 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Arelor to Bogomips on Wed May 14 2025 08:48 am

    Love someone else, other than God?

    Actually I think the modern interpretation of the Bible is that you are

    I will give my answer in the Religion sub

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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to Digital Man on Wed May 14 11:17:50 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Digital Man to Jcurtis on Tue May 13 2025 11:04 pm

    I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(

    Right. If the others can move I can follow. Don't hate me I didn't start it.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to PHIGAN on Wed May 14 08:47:00 2025
    average about as many as would be running non-self-check lanes, if they were open. So no jobs lost there, either.

    They don't bag your stuff for you, though.

    The grocery here usually doesn't at the "manned" checkouts, either. I would rather bag my own stuff so that the cold stuff all gets bagged together.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Cougar428 on Wed May 14 14:14:38 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to MRO on Wed May 14 2025 08:01 am


    you are probably a horrible aim.

    Maybe, but it doesn't matter since I only use triple aught buckshot.
    It'll make swiss cheese holier than thou.


    you wont see it coming. all you will see is the bright white light.

    you said my name wrong.

    No I didn't.

    yes you did.

    Have a wonderful day!


    it might be your last....
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Wed May 14 14:18:55 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Arelor to Cougar428 on Wed May 14 2025 08:10 am

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am

    If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
    really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
    Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
    outweigh the cons...

    I think this is lamb mentality.

    My experience is that most people who don't want to take good operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.


    i'm a secure guy pretty much but i also realize that anything we do on the internet is forever. and people in the past that thought they were secure and private have been caught when wrong doing.

    we have no true undestanding of the technology that world govts have or even really good private professionals. maybe what you think is the height of security can be defeated in minutes. There's no way of knowing, except for past examples of where people thought they were secure, but caught.

    now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but still, if you think you're secure on a world wide network of computers, you're fooling yourself.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Foriest Jan Smith on Wed May 14 14:19:29 2025
    Re: Checking Out
    By: Foriest Jan Smith to Mortar on Wed May 14 2025 11:00 am

    Re: Checking Out
    By: Mortar to Nightfox on Sat May 10 2025 23:46:20

    Hate to butt in, but we wouldn't even have this problem if stores weren't

    please use quoting.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 14:21:06 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jcurtis to Digital Man on Wed May 14 2025 11:17 am

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Digital Man to Jcurtis on Tue May 13 2025 11:04 pm

    I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(

    Right. If the others can move I can follow. Don't hate me I didn't start it.
    you didnt start it but you can just not reply or paste the post and reply in the religion sub.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Wed May 14 12:23:41 2025
    Re: Checking Out
    By: Dumas Walker to PHIGAN on Wed May 14 2025 08:47 am

    They don't bag your stuff for you, though.

    The grocery here usually doesn't at the "manned" checkouts, either. I would rather bag my own stuff so that the cold stuff all gets bagged together.

    Some grocery baggers where I am will do that, but some don't.

    Lately I've been getting groceries via curbside pickup (at one of the stores that does that), or home delivery, as I haven't really felt like going inside to shop lately, as it can take about an hour or so to get through the store and pay for my groceries. The baggers I get usually put the cold stuff together. I usually bring my own reusable bags with me in my car, and although they usually bag it for you, I like to help put my groceries in my bags so it goes quicker, and I can decide where at least some of it goes in the bags. The downside to curbside and home delivery is not being able to pick out your own produce & such, though I think that hasn't been a big deal so far. Also sometimes they do make mistakes; recently I bought some drinks and I ordered the sugar-free version but some of the ones they got were the sugared version. I didn't notice until later.. I often notice some things when I pick up my groceries at curbside, but I didn't notice that when I picked up those groceries.

    Nightfox

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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to MRO on Wed May 14 13:34:14 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 02:21 pm

    you can just not reply

    Right.

    or paste the post and reply in the religion sub.

    Not sure about my skills but I'll see.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 15:49:34 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jcurtis to MRO on Wed May 14 2025 01:34 pm

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 02:21 pm

    you can just not reply

    Right.

    or paste the post and reply in the religion sub.

    Not sure about my skills but I'll see.

    you should be able to cut and paste in most telnet clients.
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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to MRO on Wed May 14 14:42:23 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 03:49 pm

    you should be able to cut and paste in most telnet clients.

    That's easy for you to say. I'm using Novell DOS LAN Workplace TNVT220 Telnet client with Novell 16-bit TCPIP, circa 1994, with Desqview and QEMM97. Gives me 450k in a DOS Window, and runs Windows 3.1 standard mode in another window.

    It's a wonder that it works at all.

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Dumas Walker on Wed May 14 15:35:54 2025
    Re: Checking Out
    By: Dumas Walker to PHIGAN on Wed May 14 2025 08:47 am

    The grocery here usually doesn't at the "manned" checkouts, either. I would

    That'd be motivation for me to shop elsewhere.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siGFs_NhcOk

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Wed May 14 17:59:16 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Arelor on Wed May 14 2025 02:18 pm

    we have no true undestanding of the technology that world govts have or even really good private professionals. maybe what you think is the height of security can be defeated in minutes. There's no way of knowing, except for past examples of where people thought they were secure, but caught.

    now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but still, if you think you're secure on a world wide network of computers, you're fooling yourself.

    This is known as the Nirvana fallacy. The idea that if a solution is not 100% accurate or bullet proof it has to be discarded is a gross approach to life in general.

    You most likely don't need to best the NSA at the game of using encryption so good that they can't break it using pre-cracked primitives. And even with all the power of the mighty USA it took them 10 years to grab Bin Ladem - that is right, it took them ages and after years of searching they discovered he was in his home :-P So I think it is prety safe to assume you can throw commercial dataminers, online harassers and kiddie hackers off-balance using widely available techniques which, for domestic users, are the threats they should be assessing in their models.

    By the way, perfect informational security is mathematically possible and you can actually deliver a message you encrypt using pen and pencil through a compromised computer, and it will be uncrackeable by any machine no matter how arbitrarily advanced it is. This is certainly not used for public Internet activity but it has been known to be used in the wild when it mattered, so there is that.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 20:26:20 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jcurtis to MRO on Wed May 14 2025 02:42 pm

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 03:49 pm

    you should be able to cut and paste in most telnet clients.

    That's easy for you to say. I'm using Novell DOS LAN Workplace TNVT220 Telnet client with Novell 16-bit TCPIP, circa 1994, with Desqview and QEMM97. Gives me 450k in a DOS Window, and runs Windows 3.1 standard mode in another window.

    It's a wonder that it works at all.

    take a screenshot and use google lense to extract the text. then email it to yourself and cut and paste it into a telnet client on a windows 11 desktop computer or linux.
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  • From Foriest Jan Smith@VERT/NGMBBS to MRO on Thu May 15 03:58:09 2025
    Re: Checking Out
    By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Wed May 14 2025 14:19:29

    please use quoting.
    My bad, still getting used to using BBS boards.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Thu May 15 08:00:00 2025
    Arelor wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    @REPLY: <681A885F.65027.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on
    Wed May 07 2025 08:05 am

    Telegram allows you to hide your number, but not hide the fact you are using it. If you use Signal you have to resign yourself to the fact that everyone else who has your number will know you are on it. With Telegram, they'll know your username. I guess its to make things easier, but I wasn't comfortable with
    that software making announcements like that automatically.

    From the link I posted:


    New default: Your phone number will no longer be visible to everyone in Signal. If you use Signal, your phone number will no longer be visible
    to everyone you chat with by default.

    [...]

    If you don't want people to be able to find you by searching for your phone number on Signal, you can now enable a new, optional privacy setting. This means that unless people have your exact unique username, they won't be able to start a conversation, or even know that you have
    a Signal account - even if they have your phone number.


    Why that wasn't the default until now?

    Too late for me now! By default, privacy focused applications, should ensure maximum privacy.

    I lost a lot of trust in Signal when it did that.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Thu May 15 08:03:00 2025
    Arelor wrote to Cougar428 <=-

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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on
    Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am

    If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
    really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
    Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
    outweigh the cons...

    I think this is lamb mentality.

    My experience is that most people who don't want to take good
    operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and
    then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.

    I am official Captain Paranoia in my workplace and everybody laughts at
    my back, except when they pickpocketed one of the accountants and stole
    a pendrive loaded with private accounting information. Then nobody laughted at the funny pen drive with an encryption chipset.

    There are lots of places in which you can still have safe Internet interations with cool people as long as you don't play it stupid. If
    you want to use Facebook using a clearnet connection because you are doomed anyway then that is on you.

    The whole "You can't do anything, so may as well not try" argument, is the line of a loser. Losers say things like this.

    It is OBSERVABLY true that there are degrees of privacy and security, and we can
    make ourselves more secure. My sarcastic comment about locking the doors was to
    show just that, that we KNOW we can reduce risk by making it harder. Do you just choose to completely diregard your health, because you may still get sick?

    I'm deeply suspicious of those who say we shouldn't try.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Thu May 15 08:08:00 2025
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman
    on Fri May 09 2025 06:49 am

    They never really show what it's like to be a civilian in a Star Trek universe. Some books discuss it, but they're not canon. Imagine a world where power no longer requires the exploitation of resources or people -
    you could set up a matter/antimatter reactor and power a city without
    waste products. How would that change economies when there's no more scarcity? Want a diamond? With enough energy, you could turn charcoal briquets into a necklace. Need to create fresh water? Done, no more territorial conflicts over a brackish river border. Food? Done. take a
    CHON matrix and turn it into whatever food you want.

    The part they do talk about in Star Trek is that abandoning accumulating wealth allows people to free their time to work for the betterment of mankind.

    Something that these shows fail to address when they deal with "post scarcity" economies is that removing scarcity of natural resources and manufactured goods does not actually cause the end of scarcity.

    See, in a world in which you can manufacture anything at zero cost, you still need manpower to fight the Klingons. Humans still need time to be "manufactured". Good luck putting your unlimited arsenal to use with a limited number of capable officers and soldiers.

    It gets better: I might be filthy rich (because "somebody" produces all the stuff I want at zero cost) except I might be a short, ugly fuck
    with no charisma. Since human females are in a limited supply that
    means I don't get a girlfriend, no emotional support nor nothing, therefore I end up blowing my brains out with a blaster because I am lonely and the next day they find my corpse laying on a mound of gold
    and diamonds and other no-cost stuff. Heck, in a material post-
    scarcity scenario loneliness would get really bad because at that point you can't rent a hooker nor possess material wealth to talk about
    because everybody is on the same footing.

    Look at the housing shortage in the Western world. Australia has some of the highest housing prices in the world, despite being the continent with the lowest
    population density outsite of Antarctica. We're not exactly short on materials either. More than enough space, more than enough materials, and we have more people in Australia than at any time in human history, so labour shortage doesn't cut it. Yet we're still short.

    Poor government and management is everything. In fact, I think its deliberate.

    Star Trek is idealistic, overly idealistic. In reality, we neither have the capacity nor motivation to make it work. In the Star Trek future, humanity is emmiserated, and resigned to stuffing their faces to an early death in an ecologically destroyed, overcrowded hell-scape.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Thu May 15 08:24:00 2025
    MRO wrote to Arelor <=-

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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Arelor to Cougar428 on Wed May 14 2025 08:10 am

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am

    If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
    really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
    Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
    outweigh the cons...

    I think this is lamb mentality.

    My experience is that most people who don't want to take good operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.


    i'm a secure guy pretty much but i also realize that anything we do on
    the internet is forever. and people in the past that thought they were secure and private have been caught when wrong doing.

    we have no true undestanding of the technology that world govts have or even really good private professionals. maybe what you think is the height of security can be defeated in minutes. There's no way of
    knowing, except for past examples of where people thought they were secure, but caught.

    now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but
    still, if you think you're secure on a world wide network of computers,
    you're fooling yourself. ---

    I previously had to deal with IT securty. What you are missing is where threats
    come from. A problem I see all the time, is people assuming that the state is the ONLY threat. That is, if the NSA or what-have-you could potentially at some
    point get information, there is no point.

    I have to drum this foolishness out of peoples heads. There are multiple threats, and privacy efforts can thwart many of the common ones. Encrypting your hard drive means a LOT if you leave your laptop on the train, as the person
    who picks it up, is almost certaintly not going to have the entire computing apparatus of a government spy agency at their disposal. Same for a compromised e-mail account, a dropped USB key, an errant program or root-kit.

    People have been caught out because they had little to no understanding about security. Criminals making stupid simple mistakes. Not bothering to hide anything. Most of how law enforcement get information, is simply through bad OpSec on behalf of the crims.

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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to MRO on Wed May 14 20:49:10 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 08:26 pm

    take a screenshot and use google lense to extract the text. then email it to yourself and cut and paste it into a telnet client on a windows 11 desktop computer or linux.

    Not interested in Smartphone tricks. I'll figure something out. Has to work in 1994 though.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Thu May 15 01:25:39 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Thu May 15 2025 08:03 am

    There are lots of places in which you can still have safe Internet interations with cool people as long as you don't play it stupid. If you want to use Facebook using a clearnet connection because you are doomed anyway then that is on you.

    The whole "You can't do anything, so may as well not try" argument, is the line of a loser. Losers say things like this.



    i dont recall saying anything like that.
    I was pretty much saying don't trust yourself to be safe.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Thu May 15 01:27:40 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 15 2025 08:24 am

    now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but still, if you think you're secure on a world wide network of computers,
    you're fooling yourself. ---

    I previously had to deal with IT securty. What you are missing is where threats
    come from. A problem I see all the time, is people assuming that the state is the ONLY threat. That is, if the NSA or what-have-you could potentially at some
    point get information, there is no point.


    i'm just saying the world govts and some private individuals probably have much more advanced methods than you might think.

    I'm sure a pirate of some sort could make good money breaking into a bank, hospital, govt agency and get whatever info they can on people and sell it.

    it's probably happening all the time.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jcurtis on Thu May 15 01:29:31 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jcurtis to MRO on Wed May 14 2025 08:49 pm

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 08:26 pm

    take a screenshot and use google lense to extract the text. then email it to yourself and cut and paste it into a telnet client on a windows 11 desktop computer or linux.

    Not interested in Smartphone tricks. I'll figure something out. Has to work in 1994 though.

    okay take a piece of transparent paper and and a crayon and draw over the entire paragraph of text to make a copy. next take the paper next to the computer and type out the past text. next roll the piece of paper up into a cylindar and turn it sideways. insert into your asshole.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Thu May 15 19:00:00 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu May 15 2025 01:25 am

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Thu May 15 2025 08:03 am

    There are lots of places in which you can still have safe Internet interations with cool people as long as you don't pla
    it stupid. If you want to use Facebook using a clearnet connection because you are doomed anyway then that is on you.

    The whole "You can't do anything, so may as well not try" argument, is the line of a loser. Losers say things like this.



    i dont recall saying anything like that.
    I was pretty much saying don't trust yourself to be safe.

    You were objecting to the idea that one can take measures to protect their privacy.

    I was arguing that to some degree, you can ameliorate some threats and reduce the danger.

    What specically then, is your objection to that?

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Thu May 15 19:05:06 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu May 15 2025 01:27 am

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 15 2025 08:24 am

    now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but still, if you think you're secure on a world wide
    network of computers,
    you're fooling yourself. ---

    I previously had to deal with IT securty. What you are missing is where threats
    come from. A problem I see all the time, is people assuming that the state is the ONLY threat. That is, if the NSA or
    what-have-you could potentially at some
    point get information, there is no point.


    i'm just saying the world govts and some private individuals probably have much more advanced methods than you might think.

    I'm sure a pirate of some sort could make good money breaking into a bank, hospital, govt agency and get whatever info they can
    people and sell it.

    it's probably happening all the time.

    Yes, I know that argument, and I know all to well the kind of person who makes that argument.

    You made your point. I get it.

    The fact that the government could find where I live, but you would NOT, that point is lost on you.

    By not plastering your info everywhere, you make it difficult for miscreants. I've been able to protect myself many times by being
    prudent, and I know that for a *FACT*.

    I'm not arguing this anymore

    So tell me, where do I live?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Thu May 15 09:36:50 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Thu May 15 2025 08:08 am

    Star Trek is idealistic, overly idealistic. In reality, we neither have the capacity nor motivation to make it work. In the Star Trek future, humanity is emmiserated, and resigned to stuffing their faces to an early death in an ecologically destroyed, overcrowded hell-scape.

    That may be true now, but maybe some things can change a bit in a few hundred years. Or maybe it will take more time. Looking at humanity's history, we've gone from cave men to being organized enough to build cities that we live in with services we need, and so on. It might not be perfect, but over time things might continue to improve. Hopefully.

    Nightfox

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to ARELOR on Thu May 15 14:19:43 2025
    Quoting Arelor to Cougar428 <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am

    If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
    really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
    Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
    outweigh the cons...

    I think this is lamb mentality.

    I don't necessarily disagree with you, but not sure what that has to do
    with participating in internet social circles.

    My experience is that most people who don't want to take good
    operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and
    then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.

    Just the fact that you ARE participating is enough for someone to
    gather data on you. As I think I mentioned, data is money and money is
    the root of all scamming. Whether it's ID theft, or just scamming for
    money.

    I am official Captain Paranoia in my workplace and everybody laughts
    at my back, except when they pickpocketed one of the accountants and
    stole a pendrive loaded with private accounting information. Then
    nobody laughted at the funny pen drive with an encryption chipset.

    I also use encryption on all of my personal 'flash drives', however
    that won't help you in the event your information has already been
    skimmed. The stupidity of the accounting department could very well
    spell financial problems for you or anyone included in the data.

    There are lots of places in which you can still have safe Internet interations with cool people as long as you don't play it stupid. If
    you want to use Facebook using a clearnet connection because you are doomed anyway then that is on you.

    Just the fact that you are using Facebook means data is being generated
    and gathered on you and anyone in your social circles. I am not trying
    to be a 'doom and gloom' bringer, just a realist.

    The only way to stop that data gathering is to desist from
    participating in it. Whether doing that is something that seems worthy
    to you is another matter.

    Peace and I hope you have a wonderful day!

    Cougar

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to MRO on Thu May 15 14:19:43 2025
    Quoting Mro to Cougar428 <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to MRO on Wed May 14 2025 08:01 am


    you are probably a horrible aim.

    Maybe, but it doesn't matter since I only use triple aught buckshot.
    It'll make swiss cheese holier than thou.


    you wont see it coming. all you will see is the bright white light.

    you said my name wrong.

    No I didn't.

    yes you did.

    Have a wonderful day!


    it might be your last....

    I'll let you have the last word. If it's my last, then so be it.

    Hardy har har!

    Hope you have a great day while you are zapping me with white light.

    Cheers Mr. O!

    ... If your behind is in front, you turned around!

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to PHIGAN on Thu May 15 14:19:43 2025
    Quoting Phigan to Dumas Walker <=-

    Re: Checking Out
    By: Dumas Walker to PHIGAN on Wed May 14 2025 08:47 am

    The grocery here usually doesn't at the "manned" checkouts, either. I would

    That'd be motivation for me to shop elsewhere.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siGFs_NhcOk

    I'm the guy in the hat.

    Don't get me stahted!

    Futurama, great show!


    ... I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere!

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to ARELOR on Thu May 15 14:19:43 2025
    Quoting Arelor to Poindexter Fortran <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Fri May 09 2025 06:49 am

    They never really show what it's like to be a civilian in a Star Trek universe. Some books discuss it, but they're not canon. Imagine a world where power no longer requires the exploitation of resources or people -
    you could set up a matter/antimatter reactor and power a city without
    waste products. How would that change economies when there's no more scarcity? Want a diamond? With enough energy, you could turn charcoal briquets into a necklace. Need to create fresh water? Done, no more territorial conflicts over a brackish river border. Food? Done. take a
    CHON matrix and turn it into whatever food you want.

    The part they do talk about in Star Trek is that abandoning accumulating wealth allows people to free their time to work for the betterment of mankind.

    Something that these shows fail to address when they deal with "post scarcity" economies is that removing scarcity of natural resources and manufactured goods does not actually cause the end of scarcity.
    See, in a world in which you can manufacture anything at zero cost,
    you still need manpower to fight the Klingons. Humans still need time
    to be "manufactured". Good luck putting your unlimited arsenal to use
    with a limited number of capable officers and soldiers.
    It gets better: I might be filthy rich (because "somebody" produces
    all the stuff I want at zero cost) except I might be a short, ugly
    fuck with no charisma. Since human females are in a limited supply
    that means I don't get a girlfriend, no emotional support nor nothing, therefore I end up blowing my brains out with a blaster because I am lonely and the next day they find my corpse laying on a mound of gold
    and diamonds and other no-cost stuff. Heck, in a material post-
    scarcity scenario loneliness would get really bad because at that
    point you can't rent a hooker nor possess material wealth to talk
    about because everybody is on the same footing.

    You guys take yourselves to seriously. JFC, it's only entertainment!

    Apparently you never relax and watch the show to get away from reality.
    Instead you have to ask why doesn't the ugly guy get the girl.

    Take a reality break. It might help you relax your sphincter a little.
    Not too much though...

    ... Fieri dresses like The Hamburglar suffering a midlife crisis.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to MRO on Thu May 15 14:19:43 2025
    Quoting Mro to Arelor <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Arelor to Cougar428 on Wed May 14 2025 08:10 am

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am

    If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
    really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
    Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
    outweigh the cons...

    I think this is lamb mentality.

    My experience is that most people who don't want to take good operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.


    i'm a secure guy pretty much but i also realize that anything we do on
    the internet is forever. and people in the past that thought they
    were secure and private have been caught when wrong doing.
    we have no true undestanding of the technology that world govts have
    or even really good private professionals. maybe what you think is
    the height of security can be defeated in minutes. There's no way of knowing, except for past examples of where people thought they were secure, but caught.
    now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but
    still, if you think you're secure on a world wide network of
    computers, you're fooling yourself. -!-

    Not a criminal? Wait just a minute Mr White Light...

    ... I tried an internal modem, but it hurt when I walked.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to ARELOR on Thu May 15 14:19:43 2025
    Quoting Arelor to Mro <=-

    By the way, perfect informational security is mathematically possible
    and you can actually deliver a message you encrypt using pen and
    pencil through a compromised computer, and it will be uncrackeable by
    any machine no matter how arbitrarily advanced it is. This is
    certainly not used for public Internet activity but it has been known
    to be used in the wild when it mattered, so there is that.

    Are you a 'rocket scientist'?

    JFMOI

    ... Bread can lead to harder stuff like baguettes and croissants!!!

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to MRO on Thu May 15 14:19:43 2025
    Quoting Mro to Jcurtis <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jcurtis to MRO on Wed May 14 2025 08:49 pm

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 08:26 pm

    take a screenshot and use google lense to extract the text. then email it to yourself and cut and paste it into a telnet client on a windows 11 desktop computer or linux.

    Not interested in Smartphone tricks. I'll figure something out. Has to work in 1994 though.

    okay take a piece of transparent paper and and a crayon and draw over
    the entire paragraph of text to make a copy. next take the paper next
    to the computer and type out the past text. next roll the piece of
    paper up into a cylindar and turn it sideways. insert into your
    asshole. -!-

    Speaking from experience?

    ... Why isn't phonetically spelled that way?

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thu May 15 11:02:00 2025
    I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(

    yeah i've mentioned that they should use the religious sub a few times. normally i move a post and reply there but that never does any good to move stuff.

    I moved my reply to a message over into that echo but that is also the only traffic I have seen in it in a while. I am wondering if some sysops don't carry that one. Come to think of it, I bet I am not subscribed to it.
    Ooops.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to JCURTIS on Thu May 15 10:37:00 2025
    That's easy for you to say. I'm using Novell DOS LAN Workplace TNVT220 Telnet client with Novell 16-bit TCPIP, circa 1994, with Desqview and QEMM97. Gives m
    450k in a DOS Window, and runs Windows 3.1 standard mode in another window.

    That.... is awesome. ;) I ran DV as long as I could until I decided to
    move over to linux around 2000. I still have a machine that runs it, if I
    turn it on, but it doesn't have the horsepower to do all of that.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to JCURTIS on Thu May 15 10:41:00 2025
    take a screenshot and use google lense to extract the text. then email it to yourself and cut and paste it into a telnet client on a windows 11 desktop computer or linux.

    Not interested in Smartphone tricks. I'll figure something out. Has to work in
    1994 though.

    IIRC, there was some way to copy text in a DV window, but whatever you were trying to paste it into would need to be "DV-aware" (I think) in order to accept the text.

    If your telnet client supports zmodem downloads, you could try QWK packet messaging. I am pretty sure that SLMR and other older DOS QWK packet
    readers used to work under DV.

    As you have some networking going on, you could also up/download your QWK packets to/from the bbs via ftp.

    QWK readers (usually) allow you to change the conference number that you
    are going to put your reply into.

    Just some ideas for future reference. ;)


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Cougar428 on Sun May 18 14:18:52 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on Thu May 15 2025 02:19 pm

    You guys take yourselves to seriously. JFC, it's only entertainment!

    Apparently you never relax and watch the show to get away from reality.
    Instead you have to ask why doesn't the ugly guy get the girl.

    I don't invest myself deeply in Star Trek and I don't watch much of it, but I hear a lot of people talking about so-called post-scarcity economies and the ST series pops up a lot with those. If the subject of post-scarcity economy pops up it is nearly unavoidable to dodge ST these days.

    The fun part is that the the first time I heard from some entertainment outlet that scarceless economies would still have poor people, it was from Enemy at the Gates, in which a Soviet officer argued no matter how advanced a Soviet society became, there would always be somebody who didn't get the girl he wanted and thus he would be poor in comparison to others.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Cougar428 on Sun May 18 14:23:04 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on Thu May 15 2025 02:19 pm

    Are you a 'rocket scientist'?


    I knew a bunch of rocket engineers at College. Most of them ended up in the weapons industry. The library had a good section of books that touched cryptography, which is what you ought to check if you want to learn about informationally perfect safety and the like rather than, you know, talk to rocket engineers who don't know what Shannon's perfect secrecy laws are.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 18 14:38:21 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Sun May 18 2025 10:00 am

    Outside of an alien invasion, I agree that we're not going to see unity.


    I find your optimism soooooo cute.

    Historical record proof people does not unite in the face of invasions. Heck, the Roman modus operandi was to arrive to a place, identify disidents that opposed the regime that ruled that place, seed division, cause conflict and then grab the scraps that remained. It is the same with modern superpowers, really, except modern superpowers are much worse at it.

    Heck, even the idealized colonization of the Americas by Spain is total myth. 200 Spaniards that hadn't taken a shower in ages disembarked and convinced the natives to fight other natives - which was easy because they already had conflicts going on - and eventually grabbed the power.

    But if you want something more recent, just keep in mind that in the Spanish civil war the Republican side could not maintain an unified army. The members of one syndicate didn't respect the members of this other union, it was a meshup of different uncohesive armies (many of them didn't even deserve the classification of "army"). You would think that with Fascist knocking on the door, people would unite and stand in coordination, but no.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to jimmylogan on Mon May 19 19:34:03 2025
    Re: Re: Checking Out
    By: jimmylogan to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 19 2025 02:52 pm


    At the high school, they have students that 'work' as teacher
    aides as part of their day. Some of them help out the tech lead
    in that building (I work district wide), we we are doing a
    form of this.


    sounds like a great way to rip off tax payers. not only do they get paid for every student, they are now getting an employee they dont need to pay.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to jimmylogan on Mon May 19 19:37:28 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: jimmylogan to Jcurtis on Mon May 19 2025 02:52 pm


    I sincerely hope no one has read any of my posts and thought I
    was trying to harass people. I see MANY many messages on BBS's and
    just pass right on by. No one is forcing me to read or respond to
    anything, and I don't think anyone else is forced to read or respond
    to mine.

    That being said, I thought we were all having a polite discourse.


    Nobody was being harassed, and nobody thought they were being harassed. That one guy is just parroting what he's been shown over the years: Religion must be attacked. The only problem i saw was people weren't taking it to religious sub when they should have.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to jimmylogan on Mon May 19 19:39:49 2025
    Re: Re: Checking Out
    By: jimmylogan to Dumas Walker on Mon May 19 2025 02:52 pm


    We call it curbside here, but I assume it's the same thing. I did
    that some at Wal-Mart, but only a few times. Once they started
    delivery to our house, we started doing that. :-)


    over by me walmart does free shipping if you buy 35 bucks or over.
    so i go with that. last time though, my water was damaged. i was going to give the guy a big tip for delivering 4 waters but he bolted out of there. then i noticed they were smashed up and leaking. dude was rushing so fast. i was going to bring my dolly to the car and tip him good.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to jimmylogan on Mon May 19 20:54:16 2025
    jimmylogan wrote to Cougar428 <=-

    One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
    the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
    appears to happen over and over.

    As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
    different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
    STILL a lot of people that miss that point...

    Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all
    one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference.

    So, I think you are among those who have missed that point...



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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Cougar428 on Tue May 20 08:18:00 2025
    Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-

    @MSGID: <682B26FC.33554.dove-general@cjsplace.thruhere.net>
    @REPLY: <682A5F10.65345.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Quoting Boraxman to Phigan <=-

    Again, even the *ideal* future of one humanity, actually sounds awful.
    The dystopia we'll actually get is 100x worse. It's just "Ein Volk,
    Ein Rasse, Ein Fuhrer" writ large.

    Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel
    bad
    for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
    country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
    the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator
    died
    85 years ago.

    One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
    the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
    appears to happen over and over.

    I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear
    this.

    Have a great day!

    I think you missed my point. I was suggesting that OUR modern "anti-racist" values are evil, because they are like its opposite.

    If you listen carefully to the rhetoric of those stridently "Against racism" you'll see the same kind of language, same kind of ideas.

    The problem is a kind of utopian idealism, which seeks to shape humanity on its mission. Modern Westerners think they are different, but they are not. I hear constant utterly horrific things from so called "tolerant" types. But because they think they are fighting the right, they don't see how terrible their views are.

    Forget Hitler, he is a distraction. The real evil is unrestrained idealism. Stop looking for the funny man with the mustache, as you'll miss the real real.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to phigan on Tue May 20 08:25:00 2025
    phigan wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <682B6BE5.8837.dove-general@tacopronto.bbs.io>
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to phigan on
    Mon May 19 2025 08:10 am

    economic ones first. You can grow
    bananas better than me and I can grow
    peppers better than you. There's no
    reason we can't work together from
    afar.

    I think this is the vision, and the purpose is to destroy what makes us huma and unique, and create a humanity which is just nothing more than a herd

    Wat? It's the exact opposite. If you can grow the best bananas, you are unique, and we all benefit from your unique quality by letting you grow all the bananas.

    Thats the theory.

    The actual PRACTICE is quite different. In PRACTICE you open your market so I can gain a competitive advantage over you. Did you open yourself up to free movement of people? I can colonise you! Did you open yourself up to buying our
    electronics? We can use them as leverage over you.


    You need some national self reliance. Australia has turned to crap because of these principles. We now only export dirt and "education" (which really means just having foriegn students come in by the plane load and change our city). In
    return, we're reliant on China for electronics and clothing and are losing the ability to manufacture things ourselves. God help us if we go to war with China.


    If my country grows banana's only, then that will be the only skill we'll have, and we'll lose the ability to do other things, like you know, make our own construction materials and cars and clothes. The end result is not good. You become a banana republic!


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Tue May 20 15:03:29 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Tue May 20 2025 10:02 pm

    Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to you.

    The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as much as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.


    Well we do appreciate personal liberty. The thing is, they are trying to catch us up with the rest of the world where your rights don't matter.

    Luckily the patriot act was not renewed but they are always trying to chip away at taking away our rights.

    I'm not sure how i feel about free speech in the workplace. if i was out in the public and heading some kkk rally does my company have a right to get rid of me if they don't support my views or they think i don't support theirs?

    I wouldn't blame them for getting rid of a person like that but also there seems to be a bunch of witch hunts that people enjoy.

    We like to cancel people.

    in my old town there was a witch hunt thing over google reviews and a bar. and people ended up making up stories that the owner sexually assaulted people. people got together online and made up stories and even went to the court about it when he was having a license review. I was even contacted online to make up a story and show up.

    Some nuts were even saying the owner was going to poison them when he had an event where he did free booze. That's just horrible and ugly.

    i think the human race is basically at war with itself. our monkey brains and human brains can't figure shit out.
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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Snobsoft on Tue May 20 15:13:29 2025
    Back in my C=64 days I set the terminal program to 80 chacters when I began using a BBS with DOD and Windows 3.1 users.

    Sure mytv screen line length was 40 but if there was some message I wanted to print out on my 1526/802 printer, I could print all 80 chara on a line .

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  • From jimmylogan@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Tue May 20 20:38:47 2025
    MRO wrote to jimmylogan <=-

    Re: Re: Checking Out
    By: jimmylogan to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 19 2025 02:52 pm


    At the high school, they have students that 'work' as teacher
    aides as part of their day. Some of them help out the tech lead
    in that building (I work district wide), we we are doing a
    form of this.


    sounds like a great way to rip off tax payers. not only do they get
    paid for every student, they are now getting an employee they dont need
    to pay. ---

    Well that escalated quickly... :-)

    They aren't an employee. They get 'service hours' and high school credit
    for it. It's better than just being put into a 'study hall' in the library. Better on the students I mean.

    And they do the same thing I do - they will do Tier One troubleshooting
    mostly. Some of them know how to powerwash, so that is a step that can
    be done before it gets to me.


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  • From jimmylogan@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Tue May 20 20:38:47 2025
    MRO wrote to jimmylogan <=-

    Re: Re: Checking Out
    By: jimmylogan to Dumas Walker on Mon May 19 2025 02:52 pm


    We call it curbside here, but I assume it's the same thing. I did
    that some at Wal-Mart, but only a few times. Once they started
    delivery to our house, we started doing that. :-)


    over by me walmart does free shipping if you buy 35 bucks or over.
    so i go with that. last time though, my water was damaged. i was going
    to give the guy a big tip for delivering 4 waters but he bolted out of there. then i noticed they were smashed up and leaking. dude was
    rushing so fast. i was going to bring my dolly to the car and tip him good. ---

    Ours is only free delivery at $35+ if you have "WalMart Plus." We bought
    a year when it was 'on sale' for like $45, so it's WELL worth it to us!

    The last few days they have been offering 'same day shipping' which is delivery, but no minimum. I've been taking advantage of that too, much
    like Amazon Prime with the no minumum.

    Where our eldest lives outside of Indy they have same day Amazon, but
    around here even Prime was four or five days for a while. Last month
    or so they've been two days again, and one day a few times...



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  • From jimmylogan@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Tue May 20 20:38:47 2025
    Boraxman wrote to Cougar428 <=-

    If you listen carefully to the rhetoric of those stridently "Against racism" you'll see the same kind of language, same kind of ideas.

    I agree with this! No one can politely disagree anymore...

    Well, BBS users might be different. :-)

    I hear constant utterly horrific things from so
    called "tolerant" types. But because they think they are fighting the right, they don't see how terrible their views are.

    I learned a long time ago that 'tolerant' is a word used to say
    "You should agree with me, but I don't have to agree with you."




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  • From jimmylogan@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Tue May 20 20:38:47 2025
    Boraxman wrote to MRO <=-

    social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.

    in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.


    Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.

    That's terrible! He was convicted in the court of public opinion
    and wasn't even there to defend himself... :-(

    A think there should be laws to prevent you for getting fired for
    things like that. It seems a MAJOR loophole in the protection of free speech, is the ability for employers to disemploy someone for their speech.

    Agreed. A few years ago the school system tried to tell staff they
    couldn't 'be friends with' a student. They said NO EXCEPTIONS and
    NO CONTACT with a student outside school unless their parents are
    invovled.

    I asked pointed questions, like "what if it's my nephew?" "What
    if it's a kid I teach in Sunday School?" What if I'm in line at
    the movie theater and they are too and they want to strike up
    a conversation? Am I supposed to be rude and tell them I can't
    talk to them?

    I'm not saying it is because I asked these questions, but it
    didn't take long for them to realize this was NOT something that
    could actually be done...

    Now they did go on to CAUTION, and I agree with that 100%!!! Be
    smart - don't get in a position of 'he said/she said.'

    Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to
    you.

    The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as much
    as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.

    Americans have given up personal liberty so many times over the
    years... Either for 'public safety' or 'common sense.'

    I still remember when the Boston Marathon bombing happened. It
    was bad, yes, but I remember the news reporting that police were
    going door to door in a search for the missing guy. No warrants -
    no reason to think that he was in YOUR house - but he MIGHT be.
    People willingly opened their doors...

    I commented at the time that I think they were trying to see
    how far they could go before the public spoke out...



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  • From jimmylogan@VERT/DIGDIST to Cougar428 on Tue May 20 20:38:47 2025
    Cougar428 wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-

    I'll let you have the last word. If it's my last, then so be it.

    zygote

    Zyzzyva!

    Touche :-)



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  • From jimmylogan@VERT/DIGDIST to Nightfox on Tue May 20 20:38:47 2025
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to phigan on Tue May 20 2025 06:56 am

    We always wondered during the show "24", in which events were supposed to happen in realtime - no one had to charge a cell phone or go to the bathroom...

    Funny how the leave out stuff like that from TV shows & movies
    sometimes..

    It's the same with role playing games... If it's not part of
    the story, it doesn't matter. :-)



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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 21 06:24:41 2025
    Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-

    Raising a 15 year old daughter and 21 year old son, I've seen those behaviors. Once with my son, we went to the car wash and both forgot
    our phones. I just beamed, thinking I had 10 minutes where I could
    just sit without distractions. My son was beside himself.

    I see parents buying phones for 7 year olds. I guess that's where it
    starts. Once they see that they can get instant gratification and
    don't have to actually 'connect' with anyone - they're off.

    They're convenient distractions, especially if you have a high-energy
    kid. My wife was great at finding small kids activities for dinners
    out and cars - lots of activity books the size of a paperback book with coloring pages and games. In retrospect, those are great activities
    for a kid to engage with.

    Your kids sound great! I'm sure all kids have their moments (I know I
    had mine), but it sounds like you raised'em right...

    Thanks for your reply. Hope you have a great day!

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 21 06:24:41 2025
    Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-

    Cougar428 wrote to ARELOR <=-

    Apologies, I'm not well educated on 'post scarcity economy'. Sadly
    this
    is the first time I've heard the term. So you kind of lost me here. I
    think I may have been watching Star Trek when this was discussed and
    missed the idea altogether.

    Another book recommendation is "The Midas Plague" by Frederik Pohl -
    about a society where cold fusion makes energy cheap, and when energy
    is cheap, the costs of production plummet and there's an
    overabundance of abundance. The book discusses how society changes in several stories in ways you wouldn't think.

    Thanks for the suggestion! I found the story in a Galaxy Science
    Fiction pulp magazine from April of 1954. It's apparently a novella so
    I'm going to give it a read.

    Have a wonderful day!

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 21 06:24:41 2025
    Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-

    Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-

    Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel
    bad
    for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
    country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
    the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator
    died 85 years ago.

    Genocidal dictators have existed as long as people have gathered in societies, Hitler was the first one to use modern weapons and
    techniques to do so.

    I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear
    this.

    They appear to have no tolerance for Naziism. Try hanging a swastika
    flag in Germany and see how long before the polizei comes a-knockin'..

    Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
    was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
    have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
    devil figure for the world.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to BORAXMAN on Wed May 21 06:24:41 2025
    Quoting Boraxman to Mro <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon May 19 2025 04:08 pm

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 09:30 pm


    I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has it positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...

    social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.

    in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.


    Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.

    A think there should be laws to prevent you for getting fired for
    things like that. It seems a MAJOR loophole in the protection of free speech, is the ability for employers to disemploy someone for their speech.
    Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to
    you.
    The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as
    much as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.

    Educate me. Who are the few?

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Wed May 21 22:55:11 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Tue May 20 2025 03:03 pm

    Well we do appreciate personal liberty. The thing is, they are trying to ca us up with the rest of the world where your rights don't matter.

    Luckily the patriot act was not renewed but they are always trying to chip a at taking away our rights.

    I'm not sure how i feel about free speech in the workplace. if i was out in the public and heading some kkk rally does my company have a right to get ri of me if they don't support my views or they think i don't support theirs?

    I wouldn't blame them for getting rid of a person like that but also there seems to be a bunch of witch hunts that people enjoy.

    We like to cancel people.

    in my old town there was a witch hunt thing over google reviews and a bar. people ended up making up stories that the owner sexually assaulted people. people got together online and made up stories and even went to the court ab it when he was having a license review. I was even contacted online to make a story and show up.

    Some nuts were even saying the owner was going to poison them when he had an event where he did free booze. That's just horrible and ugly.

    i think the human race is basically at war with itself. our monkey brains a human brains can't figure shit out.

    Rights can only really exist by limiting other people. The first amendment, if you actually read it, does not grant anyone a right. It FORBIDS an action. By default we are free, it is the actions of others that restrain us. Freedom is given by prohibiting these restraints.

    The problem is that if private companies can 'punish' you, then you lose your freedom. You do NOT have freedom of speech, if your employer can take retribution and fire you for what you say outside of work. The KKK example is stupid, as this is not typical of what gets people fired. Should you be fired if you voted for Trump, or talked about The Great Replacement? Should James Damore have been fired from Google? I would argue no.

    I believe that private companies should not have the right to fire, and that America's weakness is it prioritises the right of Capital over Free Speech. Conservatives were weak on this, hence why they were censored on Social Media. Companies shouldn't have "views" anyway, not ones outside their core business. Again, a weakness in Capitalism, in that it allows political infiltration by supporting companies having "views".

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Cougar428 on Wed May 21 09:36:34 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 21 2025 06:24 am

    Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the devil figure for the world.

    From what I've heard, anti-semitic stuff is very frowned upon (if not illegal) in Germany. I think people in Germany these days realize how bad Hitler's policies were.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to jimmylogan on Wed May 21 13:18:49 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: jimmylogan to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 03:30 pm

    As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
    different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
    STILL a lot of people that miss that point...

    This is the party line I see in so many ruined and dead RPG forums. It usually comes from people who wants everybody to be equal even if that means they need to make everybody equally misserable. I don't buy it.

    It is much more practical (and realistic) to embrace the fact humanity is composed of people with different biomorphic dispositions and accept people belongs to different groups with different strengths and weaknesses.

    The fun part is that diversity loving people can't accept humanity itself is diverse.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to GAMGEE on Wed May 21 09:40:00 2025
    Didn't even know you were knocked up. Congrats. Girl, boy, or indeterminate?

    Maybe he would prefer to let it choose when it is old enough. ;)


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 21 13:40:13 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Tue May 20 2025 06:56 am

    Oh, my god - really? Elves and dwarves are different SPECIES!

    I'm imagining a key and peele episode where the different species in D&D
    are racial stereotypes...

    (aside: I loved playing elves in D&D. Stealthy as all hell, and roll
    high enough on dexterity and they'd get 3 attacks every 2 turns...)

    I usually Master rather than play, but when I do, I tend to pick a Dwarf because I love being a grumpy short bearded guy who ruins every good moment with his bad mood.

    My last character has been a halfling wizzard. The build is horrendous but the RPing is golden. He is a paranoid mitherfucker who is convinced there is a plot from a secret covenant of necromancers and tends to believe random people in the game world is part of it. He is the sort of pain-in-the-ass character that will cast a fireball that catches 5 kobolds and the NPC that is guiding you through the dungeon because he is sure the guide is a necromancer in disguise.

    But yeah, politics is getting so bad in gaming that you may as well skip any new content from any middle or big publisher. They have built this whole critical character theory according to which Orcs are an alegory of black people and that is the reason why your gameworld should have good orcs instead of bad ones...


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Wed May 21 13:53:50 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Tue May 20 2025 03:03 pm

    I'm not sure how i feel about free speech in the workplace. if i was out in the public and heading some kkk rally does my company have a right to get rid of me if they don't support my views or they think i don't support theirs?

    From a practical standpoint, what you do out of office should not be your employer's business unless you are sabotaging the interests of your employer or something.

    I don't care if my boss dresses up as a pony and goes to furry conventions and sticks cucumbers in his ass out of job hours, and I expect him not to care if I post memes that ridicule Pedro Sánchez in some random forum in return.

    It only turns into a problem in fascist regimes in the style of what Europe and the USA are becoming, in which if I post a meme of Pedro Sánchez my boss gets a visit from the Italian fasci di combatimento and is told to fire me "or else." Therefore getting people fired for expressiong opinions out of the workplace should be instantly identified as a totalitarian tactic and people advocating such measures identified as totalitarians.

    I mean, if I am in office I am representing the interests of my employers, therefore it is far for the employer to tell me to adhere to certain standards while I work there. Once the shift is done my boss has no say. Period.


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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Cougar428 on Wed May 21 12:30:35 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 21 2025 06:24 am

    Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
    was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
    have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
    devil figure for the world.

    I was also stationed in West Germany in the early 80's. I remember asking and elderly woman about Hitler. She was not to pleased about the subject. I don't think my question made her day.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Dumas Walker on Wed May 21 15:04:33 2025
    Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    Didn't even know you were knocked up. Congrats. Girl, boy, or indeterminate?

    Maybe he would prefer to let it choose when it is old enough. ;)

    Heh. Probably.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Accession on Wed May 21 20:53:39 2025
    Re: Checking Out
    By: Accession to jimmylogan on Wed May 21 2025 07:15 pm


    Well that escalated quickly... :-)

    Don't mind him. He's probably downright angry (I sure would be) with the school referendum that got passed in his neck of the woods, recently. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

    i don't live there anymore. but since you brought it up, they do those things all the time. Every year i would get a few hundred bucks tax credit because i lived by a school.
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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Boraxman on Wed May 21 18:58:04 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed May 21 2025 10:55 pm

    The problem is that if private
    companies can 'punish' you, then you
    lose your freedom. You do NOT have
    freedom of speech, if your employer
    take retribution and fire you for wh
    you say outside of work. The KKK

    Freedom of speech is about someone
    being arrested or somehow legally
    impacted by their speech. Meaning, the
    government shouldn't be able to stop
    you from saying things.

    Now, it's your choice to say things
    that other people may not like. And
    it's your employer's choice to employ
    you. Your employer is other people and
    if they don't like what you say, they
    should also have the right to have
    nothing to do with you. Being employed
    is not a right. What if you were the
    employer? Do you want someone telling
    you who you can't fire? Seems silly.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Cougar428 on Thu May 22 08:11:00 2025
    Cougar428 wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    @MSGID: <682DA9E9.33663.dove-general@cjsplace.thruhere.net>
    @REPLY: <682C8A04.1487.dove.dove-gen@realitycheckbbs.org>
    Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-

    Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-

    Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel
    bad
    for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
    country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
    the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator
    died 85 years ago.

    Genocidal dictators have existed as long as people have gathered in societies, Hitler was the first one to use modern weapons and
    techniques to do so.

    I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear
    this.

    They appear to have no tolerance for Naziism. Try hanging a swastika
    flag in Germany and see how long before the polizei comes a-knockin'..

    Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
    was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
    have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
    devil figure for the world.

    The Germans, I strongly suspect, pride themselves on their guilt and self flagellation. They find a moral supremacy, a virtue, in that they are more willing to sacrifice to atone for thier sins than others.


    I think this is a "White people"
    thing, and that Germans are able to do it more strongly than anyone else.
    i




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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Cougar428 on Thu May 22 08:14:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon May 19 2025 04:08 pm

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 09:30 pm


    I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has it positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...

    social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.

    in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.


    Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.

    A think there should be laws to prevent you for getting fired for
    things like that. It seems a MAJOR loophole in the protection of free speech, is the ability for employers to disemploy someone for their speech.
    Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to
    you.
    The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as
    much as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.

    Educate me. Who are the few?

    Capitalists. Employers.

    Quite often, if there is a conflict of rights, they will favour the minority (the employers).

    One person may be in control of 1000 jobs, and Americans will default to that one persons "right" of association to be of higher value than the 1000 peoples right to Freedom of Speech.


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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to Cougar428 on Thu May 22 07:12:54 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 21 2025 06:24 am

    Your kids sound great! I'm sure all kids have their moments (I know I
    had mine), but it sounds like you raised'em right...

    Sorry to interject into the thread but...

    My 38-yr old son got a new job this month and during this whole process, he took time to come over to my house and thank me for "raising him right."

    Made my millenium...

    (His mother left me with the 2 kids when he was 2 and his sister was 5. I raised them by myself... it wasn't easy but paid off as they are both great kids.)

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Thu May 22 22:01:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed May 21 2025 10:55 pm

    Rights can only really exist by limiting other people. The first amendment, if you actually read it, does not grant anyone a right.

    i can't READ!
    https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/

    "First Amendment
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
    speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
    assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    Read the Second Amendment. Again, it says that a right cannot be
    infringed. It prohibits an action.

    They understood that in order for "rights" to exist, you must prevent
    people from infringing them. Only this can make a "right" real.

    Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
    good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
    Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did
    NOT prevent the state from infringing on that right. So the US had
    freedom of speech, and the Soviet Union didn't.

    The men who wrote the First Amendment understood this, which is why it
    is written as a prohibition of infringment, and not a declaration of
    right to Free Speech.

    The problem is that if private companies can 'punish' you, then you lose your freedom. You do NOT have freedom of speech, if your employer can take retribution and fire you for what you say outside of work.

    we have freedom of speech from our govt. i wont be arrested for
    wearing my kkk robes. it depends on the state, but some are at will
    which means the employer can toss you for any reason as long as it's
    not a protected reason like age/sex/religion,etc.

    Firstly, I think there could be a legitimate case to arrest someone
    for being in an organisation. I do not consider banning a violent
    organisation to be an infringment of Free Speech. This is why I
    thought the KKK example was not apropos. It is not an infringment of
    Free Speech, for example, to arrest someone for being in a crime
    syndicate.

    Free Speech was understood to be important before the First Amendment
    was drafted. Its philosophical roots came from a realisation that
    society needs Free Speech, because the right to Free Speech allows
    pathological ideas to be challenged. This is the misunderstanding I
    think. It has been turned into "individual rights", but the purpose
    wasn't keeping the government out of your life. Free Speech has a
    *social* utility, which they understood because they saw the ill
    effects of religious and monarchical power structures that shielded
    themselves from challenge.

    The government was, during the founding of the United States, the only
    real entity which could effectively remove Free Speech. The Church
    and State were seperate, and the State couldn't endorse a religion, so
    the Church was limited too. At that time, business could censor, yes,
    but they could not remove Free Speech. Censorship is not necessarily
    and infringement of Free Speech.

    My argument is that today, the employment situation has changed, which
    has created a new threat. The *intent* of the First Amendment,
    allowing exchange of ideas, is effectively null and void if private
    companies can do what the state cant. Especially if they collude,
    which they do. In order to re-establish Free Speech, this new threat
    to infringement must be removed to restore the original intent of a
    Free Nation.

    The KKK example
    is stupid, as this is not typical of what gets people fired. Should you be

    how dare you call my example stupid. how dare you.

    The reason I said this was because the actual real-world issue has
    little to nothing to do with the KKK. Throughout the Western world,
    people are being fired and arrested for their ideas, and this almost
    never has anything to do with the KKK. As I said before, there could
    be a case for firing someone because they are a member of the KKK to
    be justified and not an infringement of speech, if the KKK is an
    organisation that commits violent crimes.

    I believe that private companies should not have the right to fire, and that America's weakness is it prioritises the right of Capital over Free Speech.

    that's your belief and in my country you have a right to that belief.
    you can even lobby to have a law created. i think private companies should be able to fire people for whatever as long as it's not a
    protected class of person.

    In Australia, you cannot fire someone for protected characteristics
    (not class), ie, you can't do it due to their race, religion,
    ethnicity. I think that belief, ideology and politics, ie, ones
    beliefs and opinions should be protected as well. For us Australians,
    its a minor amendment to an existing protection, but I suspect it is
    absent in order to be able to destroy political undesirables.

    If you have already accepted that there are exceptions being able to
    freely fire people, why are you reluctant to include an individuals
    beliefs and statements as protected?? You've already accepted that
    right is not absolute, which I agree with.


    business. Again, a weakness in Capitalism, in that it allows political infiltration by supporting companies having "views".

    every type of establishment has infiltrators. the KKK did.
    greenpeace, the masons, anything big. they get in there and redirect
    the focus. ---

    By prohibiting people being fired for their speech you neuter to some
    degree this effect. This is precisely why you need laws to protect
    people from being fired for their speech! If an organisation DOES
    infiltrate, then people are able to discuss this and point it out.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to phigan on Thu May 22 22:33:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed
    May 21 2025 10:55 pm

    The problem is that if private
    companies can 'punish' you, then you
    lose your freedom. You do NOT have
    freedom of speech, if your employer
    take retribution and fire you for wh
    you say outside of work. The KKK

    Freedom of speech is about someone
    being arrested or somehow legally
    impacted by their speech. Meaning, the
    government shouldn't be able to stop
    you from saying things.

    Now, it's your choice to say things
    that other people may not like. And
    it's your employer's choice to employ
    you. Your employer is other people and
    if they don't like what you say, they
    should also have the right to have
    nothing to do with you. Being employed
    is not a right. What if you were the
    employer? Do you want someone telling
    you who you can't fire? Seems silly.

    Freedom of Speech is about dissemination of ideas. The purpose of
    Freedom of Speech is to have ideas challenged, critiqued. Freedom of
    Speech is not about you, its an attribute society needs to stay
    functional and prosperous and not descend into tyranny.

    Now, an employer DOES have the right to not listen to you. They ARE
    justified in firing you if you talk to them at work about your ideas,
    and they don't want to hear it. But if its something that you said
    outside work? No, they have no claim to being harmed, so the appeal
    to a right rings weak.

    The reason is that if they do this, then society becomes a victim.
    Society is harmed if people are not able to disseminate ideas, because
    of retributive actions. Society is the victim, and in an ironic
    sense, *so is the employer*! Being employed is not a right, I agree,
    but when it comes to weighing freedom to fire over freedom to speak,
    the greater evil is clearly, preventing speech. Neither society or
    even the employer is harmed if employees are protected from being
    fired for what they do *out of workplace*, but society IS harmed if
    people are unable to hear challenging ideas, and have their bad ideas challenged, and their good ideas confirmed. This isn't just my
    opinion, its observable fact. The prevalence if crackpot conspiracy
    theories and increasing belief in nutcase ideologies is precisely
    because of a lack of challenge to ideas.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Cougar428 on Thu May 22 09:00:49 2025
    Cougar428 wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    Thanks for the suggestion! I found the story in a Galaxy Science
    Fiction pulp magazine from April of 1954. It's apparently a novella so
    I'm going to give it a read.

    I think the book I read was compiled from 4 novellas Pohl wrote in
    Galaxy. Look around, you might find more...




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Cougar428 on Thu May 22 09:00:49 2025
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    Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
    was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
    have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
    devil figure for the world.

    I hasd as high school friend who enlisted and spent his tours in the
    Fulda gap, waiting for Soviet tanks to come through.

    Despite that, he had a good time in Germany.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thu May 22 09:38:42 2025
    Re: Re: Checking Out
    By: MRO to jimmylogan on Wed May 21 2025 06:45 pm

    i have amazon prime and order 3+ things a week. i love amazon.

    I've never needed or wanted enough stuff to order that much, but I also have Amazon Prime and I like that I can order all kinds of things from there and many things have the quick shipping.

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Thu May 22 13:52:14 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Wed May 21 2025 07:04 pm

    that's your belief and in my country you have a right to that belief. you can even lobby to have a law created. i think private companies should be able to fire people for whatever as long as it's not a protected class of person.

    I am more radical than that. I dislike the idea of protected collectives because they abuse their privileges. There was a scandal here in once it was discovered homosexuals had better priorization for tax advantages than wheelchair bound people in certain Autonomies.

    Fuck that.

    By the way, if I were employing somebody for a position I would make sure he does not belong to a protected collective because I would not want anybody to play with legal advantages against me if we ever had a disagreement.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to phigan on Thu May 22 13:57:05 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: phigan to Boraxman on Wed May 21 2025 06:58 pm

    Freedom of speech is about someone
    being arrested or somehow legally
    impacted by their speech. Meaning, the
    government shouldn't be able to stop
    you from saying things.

    Now, it's your choice to say things
    that other people may not like. And
    it's your employer's choice to employ
    you. Your employer is other people and
    if they don't like what you say, they
    should also have the right to have
    nothing to do with you. Being employed
    is not a right. What if you were the
    employer? Do you want someone telling
    you who you can't fire? Seems silly.

    Fundamentally, there is a big difference between recognizing somebody has a right and aproving of the way the right is used.

    I may have the fundamental right of hitting my knee with a sledgehammer, that does not mean you have to accept it is a wise course of action.

    In the same way, an employer has the fundamental right of not employing people he disagrees with in things that are absolutely not related to the job. And, just the same way, that does not mean I have to believe it is a wise way of managing a firm.

    For all the calls we get to diversify the workforce and people is pushing for the notion that we have to eject anybody who does not follow the uniparty out of the workforce. Good job, diversifiers.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Thu May 22 18:55:20 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 22 2025 10:01 pm


    Read the Second Amendment. Again, it says that a right cannot be
    infringed. It prohibits an action.

    They understood that in order for "rights" to exist, you must prevent
    people from infringing them. Only this can make a "right" real.

    Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
    good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
    Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did

    now i have to read the second one?!!?
    i told you i can't read.

    i think you are looking at this through a weird lens; we have laws, tons and tons of laws. laws on top of laws. overlapping laws. old laws. those complex laws state what our rights are and how it's to be handled.

    we then have judges to interpret the laws when things go caca.

    Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
    good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
    Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did
    NOT prevent the state from infringing on that right. So the US had
    freedom of speech, and the Soviet Union didn't.


    our entire legal system is not the declaration of independance

    Free Speech was understood to be important before the First Amendment
    was drafted. Its philosophical roots came from a realisation that
    society needs Free Speech, because the right to Free Speech allows pathological ideas to be challenged. This is the misunderstanding I
    think. It has been turned into "individual rights", but the purpose
    wasn't keeping the government out of your life. Free Speech has a
    *social* utility, which they understood because they saw the ill
    effects of religious and monarchical power structures that shielded themselves from challenge.

    you are interpreting our free speech laws incorrectly. you are free to say what you want. it wont protect you from getting canned from your job if they decide you are not a fit to what they represent. You are only protected if you are part of a protected category of person and your rights have been violated based on your race, origin, age, sex, disability.

    If you have already accepted that there are exceptions being able to
    freely fire people, why are you reluctant to include an individuals
    beliefs and statements as protected?? You've already accepted that
    right is not absolute, which I agree with.

    it's (being fired from the workplace because of speech) not an exemption because there is no actual violation of our laws.
    that's just how it is. it's only a violation based on what it is and if it violates a protected class of person.

    By prohibiting people being fired for their speech you neuter to some
    degree this effect. This is precisely why you need laws to protect
    people from being fired for their speech! If an organisation DOES

    so far it hasn't been an issue except people were canceled for dumb shit
    during those witch hunts.

    if it is an issue it can become a bill and be put through our system.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Thu May 22 18:56:11 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Arelor to MRO on Thu May 22 2025 01:52 pm


    By the way, if I were employing somebody for a position I would make sure he does not belong to a protected collective because I would not want anybody to play with legal advantages against me if we ever had a disagreement.

    discrimination!!!!
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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Arelor on Thu May 22 17:08:35 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Arelor to phigan on Thu May 22 2025 01:57 pm

    In the same way, an employer has the fundamental right of not employing peop he disagrees with in things that are absolutely not related to the job. And, just the same way, that does not mean I have to believe it is a wise way of managing a firm.

    Firing someone for something they said somewhere is certainly a dick move. But they shouldn't be forced into or prohibited from anything. It's their choice if they want to look like dicks in the public eye.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Fri May 23 08:22:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: phigan to Boraxman on
    Wed May 21 2025 06:58 pm

    Freedom of speech is about someone
    being arrested or somehow legally
    impacted by their speech. Meaning, the
    government shouldn't be able to stop
    you from saying things.

    Now, it's your choice to say things
    that other people may not like. And
    it's your employer's choice to employ
    you. Your employer is other people and
    if they don't like what you say, they
    should also have the right to have
    nothing to do with you. Being employed
    is not a right. What if you were the
    employer? Do you want someone telling
    you who you can't fire? Seems silly.

    Fundamentally, there is a big difference between recognizing somebody
    has a right and aproving of the way the right is used.

    I may have the fundamental right of hitting my knee with a
    sledgehammer, that does not mean you have to accept it is a wise course
    of action.

    In the same way, an employer has the fundamental right of not employing people he disagrees with in things that are absolutely not related to
    the job. And, just the same way, that does not mean I have to believe
    it is a wise way of managing a firm.

    For all the calls we get to diversify the workforce and people is
    pushing for the notion that we have to eject anybody who does not
    follow the uniparty out of the workforce. Good job, diversifiers.

    I kind of disagree here. Employment contracts are contracts, and exist because the state enforces them. In this case, then it is valid for the state to define
    parameters which may make the contract invalid, or breach of it unwarranted.


    Slavery is not legal because the state does not allow, nor honour, any such contract. Employment, which is the rental of a human being, is recognised, but it
    is reasonable for the state to define what makes it valid, and invalid. It has the choice to enforce the contract or not. The state is permitted to set boundaries. It should go without saying that those boundaries should be based on good philosophy and human dignity.

    This idea of "rights" that most people hve really is a modern, Hippie era Leftist idea. The whole 60s "I can just do what I want man!" attitude now defines almost all of the philosophy behind freedom, and it just doesn't work because its myopic and self centered.

    I see no conflict, at all, in the state recognising that the termination of a contract, because of something that is outside the scope of the contract, is invalid, and that the employee (the one who had the contract terminated) has a right to recourse. Likewise, I see little conflict in the idea that an employment contract, in order to be considered legally enforceable (ie valid), cannot infringe upon any of the Free Speech rights of those involved in the contract. What I am saying is that the situation of "At will" contracts, which can be considered justifiably terminated due to the speech of someone outside of
    the scope of the contract, is incongruent with a society that has Free Speech.


    Now in the USA, it could be argued that if the states employment laws, ie, which employment contracts it honours and allows, infringe upon the Free Speech, then this not in the spirit of the First Amendment.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Sat May 24 00:08:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 22 2025 10:01 pm


    Read the Second Amendment. Again, it says that a right cannot be
    infringed. It prohibits an action.

    They understood that in order for "rights" to exist, you must prevent
    people from infringing them. Only this can make a "right" real.

    Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
    good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
    Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did

    now i have to read the second one?!!?
    i told you i can't read.

    i think you are looking at this through a weird lens; we have laws,
    tons and tons of laws. laws on top of laws. overlapping laws. old
    laws. those complex laws state what our rights are and how it's to be handled.

    we then have judges to interpret the laws when things go caca.

    Its like the first, it prohibits actions, not grants rights.

    You perhaps have too many laws. But do you have the right ones?

    Rights shape laws. They shape what laws are valid, and what are
    invalid, and also shape contracts. If the state grants rights, but
    will enforce contracts which infringe those rights, or pass laws which
    infringe those rights, you have a problem.

    Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
    good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
    Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did
    NOT prevent the state from infringing on that right. So the US had
    freedom of speech, and the Soviet Union didn't.


    our entire legal system is not the declaration of independance

    Is that not a different document to the constitution?

    Free Speech was understood to be important before the First Amendment
    was drafted. Its philosophical roots came from a realisation that
    society needs Free Speech, because the right to Free Speech allows pathological ideas to be challenged. This is the misunderstanding I
    think. It has been turned into "individual rights", but the purpose
    wasn't keeping the government out of your life. Free Speech has a
    *social* utility, which they understood because they saw the ill
    effects of religious and monarchical power structures that shielded themselves from challenge.

    you are interpreting our free speech laws incorrectly. you are free to
    say what you want. it wont protect you from getting canned from your
    job if they decide you are not a fit to what they represent. You are
    only protected if you are part of a protected category of person and
    your rights have been violated based on your race, origin, age, sex, disability.

    You are stating what IS. I am stating what OUGHT to be. The state
    SHOULD be protecting you from this. This protected category of person
    is deeply troubling too.

    If you have already accepted that there are exceptions being able to
    freely fire people, why are you reluctant to include an individuals
    beliefs and statements as protected?? You've already accepted that
    right is not absolute, which I agree with.

    it's (being fired from the workplace because of speech) not an
    exemption because there is no actual violation of our laws. that's just how it is. it's only a violation based on what it is and if it
    violates a protected class of person.

    If the contract explicitely states that it can be terminated because
    of what someone says or listens to outside of the scope of works, then
    if the state enforces that contract and considers it legitimate, it is infringing upon the right to free speech, and really, it should not
    enforce or consider such a contract legitimate, much in the same way
    it would not consider a contract of slavery as legitimate.

    If the contract does not have any conditions regarding what someone
    can and can't say, or listen to, outside of work (I wouldn't consider
    a contract that did, legally enforceable), then what they do say, or
    listen to, is not grounds to terminate the contract. The contract was
    being fulfilled.

    I can't see any justifiable reason for this "I can fire someone
    because they have views I don't like" argument, except a very childish
    and immature inability to deal with other people. That is YOUR
    problem. It is not the employees problem, and it is certaintly not
    something the state should accomodate.

    By prohibiting people being fired for their speech you neuter to
    some degree this effect. This is precisely why you need laws to
    protect people from being fired for their speech! If an
    organisation DOES

    so far it hasn't been an issue except people were canceled for dumb
    shit during those witch hunts.

    if it is an issue it can become a bill and be put through our system.

    No, it can't be a bill. The people won't be free to discuss it, they
    won't be free to lobby the government, they won't be free to run for
    office to address this issue. It will be TOO LATE. You'll get fired
    just for following someone who is discussing how this group, or this
    ideology is wrong. Hell, the company might even now want you just
    because of how you voted! Remember progressive companies saying that
    Trump votes were not welcome? This is a major issue right now.



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  • From Bogomips@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 23 11:00:22 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Cougar428 on Thu May 22 2025 09:00 am


    I hasd as high school friend who enlisted and spent his tours in the
    Fulda gap, waiting for Soviet tanks to come through.

    Despite that, he had a good time in Germany.

    I spent alot of time in the Fulda Gap myself. as well as the Czech border.
    What was ironic is that the borders were setup so the Eastern Bloc couldn't defect. If they were going to attack, they would have to turn all the "dragon teeth" 180 degrees in order to get the tanks through. We would have had plenty of notice.

    I was 19 years old and having the time of my life.

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  • From jimmylogan@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Fri May 23 11:33:09 2025
    Arelor wrote to jimmylogan <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: jimmylogan to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 03:30 pm

    As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
    different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
    STILL a lot of people that miss that point...

    This is the party line I see in so many ruined and dead RPG forums. It usually comes from people who wants everybody to be equal even if that means they need to make everybody equally misserable. I don't buy it.

    Equal in VALUE, yes. Equal in ABILITY, no. That's just not
    possible.

    It is much more practical (and realistic) to embrace the fact humanity
    is composed of people with different biomorphic dispositions and accept people belongs to different groups with different strengths and weaknesses.

    Absolutly! Calling us all the same ability level is a huge
    mistake. But we all have the same WORTH, espcially to our
    Creator.

    The fun part is that diversity loving people can't accept humanity
    itself is diverse.

    Yep! I've found that the ones who scream tolerence are some
    of the most intolerent around...




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  • From jimmylogan@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Fri May 23 11:33:09 2025
    MRO wrote to jimmylogan <=-

    Re: Re: Checking Out
    By: jimmylogan to MRO on Tue May 20 2025 08:38 pm


    sounds like a great way to rip off tax payers. not only do they get paid for every student, they are now getting an employee they dont need to pay. ---

    Well that escalated quickly... :-)

    They aren't an employee. They get 'service hours' and high school credit
    for it. It's better than just being put into a 'study hall' in the library. Better on the students I mean.

    And they do the same thing I do - they will do Tier One troubleshooting mostly. Some of them know how to powerwash, so that is a step that can
    be done before it gets to me.


    I left out a work - they do NOT do the same thing I do.

    if they are working they are an employee.
    it's just a scam.

    Have you called your local school and complained?




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  • From jimmylogan@VERT/DIGDIST to Nightfox on Fri May 23 11:33:09 2025
    Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    Re: Re: Checking Out
    By: MRO to jimmylogan on Wed May 21 2025 06:45 pm

    i have amazon prime and order 3+ things a week. i love amazon.

    I've never needed or wanted enough stuff to order that much, but I also have Amazon Prime and I like that I can order all kinds of things from there and many things have the quick shipping.

    And easy returns...



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to jimmylogan on Fri May 23 14:23:06 2025
    Re: Re: Checking Out
    By: jimmylogan to MRO on Fri May 23 2025 11:33 am


    if they are working they are an employee.
    it's just a scam.

    Have you called your local school and complained?

    complain about what
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  • From Foriest Jan Smith@VERT/NGMBBS to Dumas Walker on Sat May 24 01:49:20 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Dumas Walker to FORIEST JAN SMITH on Tue May 20 2025 09:20:00

    On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.

    Kind of why China kind of freaked out when US users got access to that Chinese social media app, lol

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to BORAXMAN on Fri May 23 22:20:12 2025
    Quoting Boraxman to Cougar428 <=-

    Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-

    @MSGID: <682DA9E9.33664.dove-general@cjsplace.thruhere.net>
    @REPLY: <682C6F63.65411.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Quoting Boraxman to Mro <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon May 19 2025 04:08 pm

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 09:30 pm


    I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has it positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...

    social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.

    in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.


    Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.

    A think there should be laws to prevent you for getting fired for
    things like that. It seems a MAJOR loophole in the protection of free speech, is the ability for employers to disemploy someone for their speech.
    Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to
    you.
    The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as
    much as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.

    Educate me. Who are the few?

    Capitalists. Employers.

    Quite often, if there is a conflict of rights, they will favour the minority (the employers).

    One person may be in control of 1000 jobs, and Americans will default
    to that one persons "right" of association to be of higher value than
    the 1000 peoples right to Freedom of Speech.

    I guess we can agree to disagree.

    Have a great day!

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to BF2K+ on Fri May 23 22:20:12 2025
    Quoting Bf2k+ to Cougar428 <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 21 2025 06:24 am

    Your kids sound great! I'm sure all kids have their moments (I know I
    had mine), but it sounds like you raised'em right...

    Sorry to interject into the thread but...

    My 38-yr old son got a new job this month and during this whole
    process, he took time to come over to my house and thank me for
    "raising him right."
    Made my millenium...

    (His mother left me with the 2 kids when he was 2 and his sister was
    5. I raised them by myself... it wasn't easy but paid off as they are
    both great kids.)

    Wow! You do deserve thanks for being a great father. Sounds like you
    also have great kids. It's wonderful when kids realize and let you know
    they know.

    Have a great day!

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri May 23 22:20:12 2025
    Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-

    Cougar428 wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    Thanks for the suggestion! I found the story in a Galaxy Science
    Fiction pulp magazine from April of 1954. It's apparently a novella so
    I'm going to give it a read.

    I think the book I read was compiled from 4 novellas Pohl wrote in
    Galaxy. Look around, you might find more...

    Since the story was written in the 50's, the writing was kind of dated
    but the story itself was pretty good! Strange to think that the more
    you have, the poorer you are. I'm sure there's a moral to the complete
    story, but it eludes me at present. It slipped right past.

    Yeah - this issue of Galaxy looks to have 4 stories in it. I'm gonna
    have to check out the others. I don't think they were from Pohl though.

    Thanks again!

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri May 23 22:20:12 2025
    Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-

    Cougar428 wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
    was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
    have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
    devil figure for the world.

    I hasd as high school friend who enlisted and spent his tours in the
    Fulda gap, waiting for Soviet tanks to come through.

    Despite that, he had a good time in Germany.

    1st tour was stationed by the Chek border attached to 3/2nd Armored
    Cavalry who patrolled the border zone. 2nd tour was in Wiesbaden, in a
    tactical intelligence group. Had fun both tours, but after getting
    married, the 2nd tour wasn't as much fun. Still loved being in Germany
    but the Army wasn't the same after getting married and having a kid.

    Most service people took leave and went to the states for 30 days. I
    spent all my leave time visiting Europe. Spain, Switzerland, Denmark,
    Itally, England etc. - Those were the days!

    Thanks for reminding me!

    Have a wonderful day.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to BOGOMIPS on Fri May 23 22:20:12 2025
    Quoting Bogomips to Cougar428 <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 21 2025 06:24 am

    Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
    was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
    have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
    devil figure for the world.

    I was also stationed in West Germany in the early 80's. I remember
    asking and elderly woman about Hitler. She was not to pleased about
    the subject. I don't think my question made her day.

    When I was there (78-81 and 83-87), I don't think I ever asked about
    Hitler or the Nazi party.

    I mostly liked every German I came into contact with and had a great
    time there. Everyone spoke their mind, they didn't mince words. I
    didn't even think about Hitler while I was there. Too busy visiting all
    the small towns in the area and checking all the bakeries bratwurst
    stands and breweries!

    Have a great day!

    ... Crime does not pay... as well as politics.

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to MRO on Sat May 24 04:25:40 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Arelor on Thu May 22 2025 06:56 pm

    By the way, if I were employing somebody for a position I would make sure he does not belong to a protected collective because I would not want anybody to play with legal advantages against me if we ever had a disagreement.

    discrimination!!!!

    Myself being in more protected classes than I care to be. Currently I am on LTD. I am considering calling my employer this week and pretty much demanding that they create a position for me. Where as I can sit at a desk all day attached to a O2 concentrator and mash a keyboard. If they tell me I'm too old, too sick. too White I'll see them in court. At this point, I have nothing to lose.

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Cougar428 on Sat May 24 04:41:18 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri May 23 2025 10:20 pm

    1st tour was stationed by the Chek border attached to 3/2nd Armored
    Cavalry who patrolled the border zone. 2nd tour was in Wiesbaden, in a

    My first duty station was in Wiesbaden. 81-82

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Cougar428 on Sat May 24 04:53:07 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to BOGOMIPS on Fri May 23 2025 10:20 pm

    didn't even think about Hitler while I was there. Too busy visiting all
    the small towns in the area and checking all the bakeries bratwurst
    stands and breweries!

    Have a great day!

    We used to just get on a train and not even know the town we got off at. Rooms at the Gasthaus were around 8 dollars and came with breakfast. Good times. Then part of my duty was driving all over Germany checking survey markers, staying at Gasthauses and playing kegelban.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Bogomips on Sat May 24 07:33:27 2025
    Bogomips wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I was 19 years old and having the time of my life.

    American beer must have been a letdown when you came back home. :)



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  • From Brokenmind@VERT/TIABBS to Nightfox on Sat May 24 10:05:15 2025
    Re: Checking Out
    By: Nightfox to Mortar on Sun May 11 2025 01:03 pm

    Where I am, even some Wal-Mart locations eliminated self-checkout after adding them several years ago.

    I live in a vary rural area for about 20 years now and our walmart which we have to travel to it's about 10 mins away which before it was put in we have to travel over 40 mins. But it still have self checkout.

    Brokenmind

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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to NIGHTFOX on Sat May 24 06:40:00 2025
    NIGHTFOX wrote to <=-

    I've never needed or wanted enough stuff to order that much, but I also have Amazon Prime and I like that I can order all kinds of things from there and many things have the quick shipping.

    Even though I have prime as well, I try to order more than 1 item in my orders.

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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to FORIEST JAN SMITH on Sat May 24 09:58:00 2025
    FORIEST JAN SMITH wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-

    On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.

    Kind of why China kind of freaked out when US users got access to that Chinese social media app, lol

    People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American culture
    and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but it is not.



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  • From Bogomips@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 25 04:02:46 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bogomips on Sat May 24 2025 07:33 am

    I was 19 years old and having the time of my life.

    American beer must have been a letdown when you came back home. :)

    It most certainly was. Due to import rules there was no way to replicate it.

    Some of the stuff the monks made would count as a meal.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to BOGOMIPS on Sun May 25 08:04:06 2025
    Quoting Bogomips to Cougar428 <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri May 23 2025 10:20 pm

    1st tour was stationed by the Chek border attached to 3/2nd Armored
    Cavalry who patrolled the border zone. 2nd tour was in Wiesbaden, in a

    My first duty station was in Wiesbaden. 81-82

    I was in Wiesbaden 83-87. Just missed you! Wiesbaden/Mainz was a great
    area to explore. I took my Citroen GSA up the river and crossed on a
    ferry to visit a castle (of which I can't remember the name).

    The Citroen was the Pallas model, had options like a Cadillac.
    Pneumatic Hydraulic suspension that rose when you started the car.

    Fond memories. Of course there was the AAFES Video/Audio/Photo mart
    where you could get pretty much anything you were looking for in those
    categories.

    Good times in Europe.

    Have a great day!

    Cougar

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to BOGOMIPS on Sun May 25 08:04:06 2025
    Quoting Bogomips to Cougar428 <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to BOGOMIPS on Fri May 23 2025 10:20 pm

    didn't even think about Hitler while I was there. Too busy visiting all
    the small towns in the area and checking all the bakeries bratwurst
    stands and breweries!

    Have a great day!

    We used to just get on a train and not even know the town we got off
    at. Rooms at the Gasthaus were around 8 dollars and came with
    breakfast. Good times. Then part of my duty was driving all over
    Germany checking survey markers, staying at Gasthauses and playing kegelban.

    Was never any good at bowling, so I didn't even try. But it sounds like
    we are kindred spirits. I loved just visiting all the little burgs and
    getting lunch and dinner at different Gasthauses. The hallenbad's were
    great also. I feel like I should stop over at your place and we could
    get lunch somewhere to talk about old times!

    I wish you a great day.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun May 25 08:04:06 2025
    Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Bogomips <=-

    Bogomips wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I was 19 years old and having the time of my life.

    American beer must have been a letdown when you came back home. :)

    I brought back a case of Wiezen in flip top bottles. The German packers
    put it in my household goods for me.

    American beer is (was) about 1/2 as strong as the real thing in
    Germany. Duppelbock was about twice as strong as American beer.

    They are both good, but I enjoyed German beer more. Now I don't drink
    much. Might have a beer once in a 'Blue Moon' if you'll pardon the pun.

    Best regards!

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Matthew Munson on Sun May 25 16:19:16 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Matthew Munson to FORIEST JAN SMITH on Sat May 24 2025 09:58 am

    People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but it is not.

    What's the difference between the TikTok and "Chinese TikTok" that you mention here? I thought TikTok simply was a Chinese thing?

    I'd never heard of TikTok until I heard something in the news in 2020 saying it was a Chinese thing and people were worried it could contain spyware and we should avoid using it.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Matthew Munson on Mon May 26 10:17:50 2025
    Matthew Munson wrote to FORIEST JAN SMITH <=-

    People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
    culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
    it is not.

    Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I
    do an American company! :)



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to FORIEST JAN SMITH on Mon May 26 09:29:00 2025
    On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.

    Kind of why China kind of freaked out when US users got access to that Chinese >social media app, lol

    Exactly! I had forgot about that. ;)


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 26 20:26:00 2025
    Hello pF!

    ** On Monday 26.05.25 - 10:17, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Matthew Munson:

    People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
    culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
    it is not.

    Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I do an American company! :)

    All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Mon May 26 22:27:33 2025
    Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Ogg to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 26 2025 08:26 pm


    All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.

    yep our information is a commodity.
    they get you coming and going, no matter what you are using.
    it's crazy to see how it works. they even detect how long you look
    at something.
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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to OGG on Tue May 27 06:57:14 2025
    Quoting Ogg to Poindexter Fortran <=-

    Hello pF!

    ** On Monday 26.05.25 - 10:17, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Matthew
    Munson:
    People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
    culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
    it is not.

    Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I do an American company! :)

    All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.

    Thats one of the best reasons NOT to use them. Any of them.

    ... "When The Sun Gets Blocked", by E. Clipse

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Cougar428 on Tue May 27 05:13:25 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to BOGOMIPS on Sun May 25 2025 08:04 am

    area to explore. I took my Citroen GSA up the river and crossed on a
    ferry to visit a castle (of which I can't remember the name).


    Good times in Europe.

    Have a great day!

    Sounds like Bingen over to Rudeshiem? I've probably been to the same castle. There was a torture museum there also. Didn't know about it at the time, but saw in on a PBS show.

    I was always amazed at the buildings and cobblestone streets.

    You have a great day, as well

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Cougar428 on Tue May 27 05:20:49 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to BOGOMIPS on Sun May 25 2025 08:04 am

    getting lunch and dinner at different Gasthauses. The hallenbad's were
    great also. I feel like I should stop over at your place and we could
    get lunch somewhere to talk about old times!

    I wish you a great day.

    It seemed like every other weekend there was a Fest for something. Beer trucks like Tanker trucks.

    I have a couple of photo albums, I'm sure we could find plenty to talk about

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Cougar428 on Tue May 27 05:25:22 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun May 25 2025 08:04 am

    They are both good, but I enjoyed German beer more. Now I don't drink
    much. Might have a beer once in a 'Blue Moon' if you'll pardon the pun.

    I stopped drinking in the mid 80s, I drank my whole allotment in Germany. Went to CO after Germany and wasn't 21 yet, so it was 3.2%. When my wife got to CO I lied about her age on the application for ID so She would be 21 and able to buy at the class 6. All they asked for was a marriage certificate.

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  • From jimmylogan@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Tue May 27 08:29:29 2025
    MRO wrote to jimmylogan <=-

    Re: Re: Checking Out
    By: jimmylogan to MRO on Fri May 23 2025 11:33 am


    if they are working they are an employee.
    it's just a scam.

    Have you called your local school and complained?

    complain about what

    What you are calling a scam.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Tue May 27 11:38:02 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat May 24 2025 12:08 am

    I can't see any justifiable reason for this "I can fire someone
    because they have views I don't like" argument, except a very childish
    and immature inability to deal with other people. That is YOUR
    problem. It is not the employees problem, and it is certaintly not something the state should accomodate.

    Well, it boils down to acknowledging that having the State telling you which reasons are justifiable for contract termination is dangerous, because when the list becomes too complex to understand, employers cease employing people altogether. aka. welcome to Spain. Also, as things stand, that sort of thing tends to become weaponized politically.

    Honestly, the reasonable way to solve it as an employees is just not applying to positions at firms that seem likely to pull such a dick move to begin with. The firms that do usually advertise themselves as virtue signaling scumbags openly so they are easy enough to avoid. When I was doing research for magazine publishers I could skip about half the available ones just because they seemed like the sort of people who would resort to ideological assassination. Frankly, if you are working in such firm and they decide they want to kick you out, the worst thing that can happen is the State prevents them from firing you, because you end up working in a position nobody wants to keep you in.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to jimmylogan on Tue May 27 18:45:05 2025
    Re: Re: Checking Out
    By: jimmylogan to MRO on Tue May 27 2025 08:29 am

    MRO wrote to jimmylogan <=-

    Re: Re: Checking Out
    By: jimmylogan to MRO on Fri May 23 2025 11:33 am


    if they are working they are an employee.
    it's just a scam.

    Have you called your local school and complained?

    complain about what

    What you are calling a scam.




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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Cougar428 on Wed May 28 08:50:00 2025
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    Hello pF!

    ** On Monday 26.05.25 - 10:17, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Matthew
    Munson:
    People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
    culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
    it is not.

    Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I do an American company! :)

    All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.

    Thats one of the best reasons NOT to use them. Any of them.

    I know for a fact, that Facebook will build a profile of you, even if you don't have an account. If other people have you in their contacts, then its already got you name and knows who knows you.

    Not only do you have to not have an account, but you have to stop other people sharing their contact lists with it. If they've posted family pictures, and you're in it, it has your face.

    It truly is a monstrous beast.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Wed May 28 09:19:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat
    May 24 2025 12:08 am

    I can't see any justifiable reason for this "I can fire someone
    because they have views I don't like" argument, except a very childish
    and immature inability to deal with other people. That is YOUR
    problem. It is not the employees problem, and it is certaintly not something the state should accomodate.

    Well, it boils down to acknowledging that having the State telling you which reasons are justifiable for contract termination is dangerous, because when the list becomes too complex to understand, employers
    cease employing people altogether. aka. welcome to Spain. Also, as
    things stand, that sort of thing tends to become weaponized
    politically.

    Honestly, the reasonable way to solve it as an employees is just not applying to positions at firms that seem likely to pull such a dick
    move to begin with. The firms that do usually advertise themselves as virtue signaling scumbags openly so they are easy enough to avoid. When
    I was doing research for magazine publishers I could skip about half
    the available ones just because they seemed like the sort of people who would resort to ideological assassination. Frankly, if you are working
    in such firm and they decide they want to kick you out, the worst thing that can happen is the State prevents them from firing you, because you end up working in a position nobody wants to keep you in.

    And this is why the left wing extremists win.

    Because the other sides solution is to "avoid" and "move on". Eventually you
    run out of places to run to. You may as well just hand them Western
    civilisation to tear apart...

    When you constantly retreat, you LOSE. You are
    advocating for our own emisseration.

    I'm convinced half the reason we are in this mess, is because the "opposition" just think they make chose their way out.

    No, they have to be removed from *our* institutions.

    I think you have it backwards. It is the employer in the wrong. They are suddenly terminating a contract for reasons that have *nothing* to do with the contractual requirements. The employee certaintly has grounds to argue that the termination was unjust! All the state is doing, is ensuring that the termination of the contract is just, as would be the case in any other contractual dispute. To argue that the state shouldn'be be involved is absurd, as all contracts are valid because the state considers them valid. Thats why you can't be my slave, because such a contract is not valid.

    PRotecting the employee is simply a matter of
    1) Acknowledging the reality that if a contractor is fulfilling a contract, and the contractee requires the contract fulfilled, then arbitrary termination must be justified, and if not, compensation is wrranted.
    2) It is a breach of human rights to have a contract which infringes free speech, and such contracts are not legal, just in the same way a contract of slavery is not legal.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Wed May 28 05:47:38 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Wed May 28 2025 09:19 am

    And this is why the left wing extremists win.

    Because the other sides solution is to "avoid" and "move on". Eventually you
    run out of places to run to. You may as well just hand them Western

    civilisation to tear apart...

    When you constantly retreat, you LOSE. You are
    advocating for our own emisseration.


    The fun part is I am an advocate of the stand-and-fight stance. Refusing to work for open virtual signalers is a stand-and-fight strategy. Trying to force your way into a company where nobody wants you is just silly. I much prefer to find a non-nonsense workplace I like to work in and make that company successful - which is actually working well for me - while woke companies deprive themselves of good employees.

    Meanwhile woke companies might seem strong but they are running out of steam faster than you'd expect. This is very patent in the videogame industry because new generations of gamers are rejecting active indoctrination whereas politized companies won't change gears. This is leading to big budget projects worth hundreds of millions being declared flopped less than a month after release. The end result is that woke companies such as Ubisoft are getting quietly split into packages and sold quietly so nobody notices because then everybody would know they are official failures.

    The only thing keeping half woke enterprises alive at this point is funding from the administration. If that were cut the whole sillyness would be over. Hell, one of the effects of the famous DODGE cuts was the termination of some South American woke journalism "agencies" because they could not pay employees without administrative funding. We are talking about agencies getting bankrupt in 48h.

    I think you have it backwards. It is the employer in the wrong. They are
    suddenly terminating a contract for reasons that have *nothing* to do with the contractual requirements. The employee certaintly has grounds to argue that the termination was unjust! All the state is doing, is ensuring that the termination of the contract is just, as would be the case in any other contractual dispute. To argue that the state shouldn'be be involved is absurd, as all contracts are valid because the state considers them valid. Thats why you can't be my slave, because such a contract is not valid.


    Well, on principle, if one part of the contract has the right to terminate it unilaterally then it makes sense the other part also can. If I can quit the company with no need to justify myself then it makes sense the company needs no t justify itself for contract termination. The exception would be when - as happens with big business to business contracts - one of the parts takes a big upfront expense in order to initiate the contract, in which case the other part of the deal is required to cover the loses of the first contractor if they decide to back off.

    And yeah there are lots of labor law but when I see the end results I am not thrilled by it. For starters, when firing people is hard then you don't hire people, specially if most candidates for job positions are likely to flop on you. Again, welcome to Spain. No wonder half the economy in Spain is estimated to be underground.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Thu May 29 08:19:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on
    Wed May 28 2025 09:19 am

    The fun part is I am an advocate of the stand-and-fight stance.
    Refusing to work for open virtual signalers is a stand-and-fight
    strategy. Trying to force your way into a company where nobody wants
    you is just silly. I much prefer to find a non-nonsense workplace I
    like to work in and make that company successful - which is actually working well for me - while woke companies deprive themselves of good employees.

    Meanwhile woke companies might seem strong but they are running out of steam faster than you'd expect. This is very patent in the videogame industry because new generations of gamers are rejecting active indoctrination whereas politized companies won't change gears. This is leading to big budget projects worth hundreds of millions being
    declared flopped less than a month after release. The end result is
    that woke companies such as Ubisoft are getting quietly split into packages and sold quietly so nobody notices because then everybody
    would know they are official failures.

    The only thing keeping half woke enterprises alive at this point is funding from the administration. If that were cut the whole sillyness would be over. Hell, one of the effects of the famous DODGE cuts was
    the termination of some South American woke journalism "agencies"
    because they could not pay employees without administrative funding. We are talking about agencies getting bankrupt in 48h.

    What happens when they take over the company you are working at? Your
    company was not realy woke, then becomes very woke? That is then
    infringing upon me. In this case, I think its justified to stand your
    ground. Also, a lot of people don't go for this, so its not just me
    alone. You can be sure that many, many employees would side with you,
    at least in private. They are too worried about HR repurcussions to
    speak up.

    This is my experience. The company does something from the woke/ESG
    agenda, and only those of a particular narrow political niche are
    enthused. Heck, many of them are just following along but don't
    understand. The rest roll their eyes, keep their head down, maybe
    make a private comment to me, but thats it.

    With regards to "go woke, go broke". MAybe, but they do a lot of
    damage in the meantime. All wars end too, but they're not fun
    fighting, and people get hurt. The fact that it will all end at some
    point doesn't really give solace when you have to waste precious years
    of your life under their misery.

    I simply cannot let these cretins get away with this.


    I think you have it backwards. It is the employer in the wrong. They are
    suddenly terminating a contract for reasons that have *nothing* to do with the contractual requirements. The employee certaintly has grounds to argue that the termination was unjust! All the state is doing, is ensuring that the termination of the contract is just, as would be the case in any other contractual dispute. To argue that the state shouldn'be be involved is absurd, as all contracts are valid because the state considers them valid. Thats why you can't be my slave, because such a contract is not valid.


    Well, on principle, if one part of the contract has the right to
    terminate it unilaterally then it makes sense the other part also can.
    If I can quit the company with no need to justify myself then it makes sense the company needs no t justify itself for contract termination.
    The exception would be when - as happens with big business to business contracts - one of the parts takes a big upfront expense in order to initiate the contract, in which case the other part of the deal is required to cover the loses of the first contractor if they decide to
    back off.

    And yeah there are lots of labor law but when I see the end results I
    am not thrilled by it. For starters, when firing people is hard then
    you don't hire people, specially if most candidates for job positions
    are likely to flop on you. Again, welcome to Spain. No wonder half the economy in Spain is estimated to be underground. --

    What in the case of an employer who is harassed by activits to fire
    someone? I would wager most times this happens, the employer is
    acting out of fear. At will contracts exacerbate this, because the
    activist scum know the employer can fire. If the employer cannot
    fire, then the activists are in the wrong, and the employer can, and
    should, take the actvists to court, as the activists are harrasing the
    employer to commit an illegal act.

    Lastly, the employee is not a slave. No human being should have to
    work against their will, therefore an employment contract must not
    require someone to provide labour against their will. If the employee
    decides not to work, they don't have to turn up, there is no mechanism
    to force them to. However, in Australia, that would mean forfeiting
    your leave at an amount up to and including the notice period. The
    employer also has the right to withdraw their labour at any time too,
    so I don't see the disconnect here. if I employ you, I can stop
    working tomorrow if I wish too. No one is being forced to work here.

    Termination because of speech outside of work is an infringement of
    rights, and no contract which explicitely or implicitely says this is
    valid. No contract can infringe upon your rights. It can be
    terminated because of lack of fulfillment, redundancy, breaking
    certain conditions and stipulations, or just because the work no
    longer is required or desired. But "I don't like you" has zero, zero
    to do with the contract.

    You are conflating this with other employment laws. My criticism was specifically of THIS issue, firing someone because you disagreed with
    what they think in private. Other employment protection laws, I
    didn't comment on those.

    To e honest, if I ran a company, and a manager did this, I would fire
    the MANAGER.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Thu May 29 03:18:47 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Thu May 29 2025 08:19 am

    What happens when they take over the company you are working at? Your
    company was not realy woke, then becomes very woke? That is then
    infringing upon me. In this case, I think its justified to stand your
    ground. Also, a lot of people don't go for this, so its not just me
    alone. You can be sure that many, many employees would side with you,
    at least in private. They are too worried about HR repurcussions to
    speak up.

    It... depends...

    Quite frankly, this is the equivalent of having your company purchased by a new owner that has no idea of how the business is run. You are certain they are going to crash the whole train. What people does in these cases is to leave en masse. Quite often whole teams leave at once and build a competing alternative, at least that is my experience.

    My experience is also that you can't fix management because management only hears what they want to hear. If management goes funky you have no hope of making it right because they are more powerful than you within the company structure. Wise people only fights battles they can win.

    And frankly, that seems to be working quite well because when you work at "ground" level you don't see much ideological crap in economic activities. When I go do my shopping or whatever it is rare to find woke in the real world. Yeah, some banks or supermarkets do a bunch of virtue signaling but those are easy enough to ostrazise.

    Seriously, if there is reason to be concerned, is the amount of institutional advertisement we get. Europe is starting to look like North Korea with so many ideological advertisements paid with contributor's money on TV and on the streets.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Fri May 30 07:04:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on
    Thu May 29 2025 08:19 am

    What happens when they take over the company you are working at? Your
    company was not realy woke, then becomes very woke? That is then
    infringing upon me. In this case, I think its justified to stand your
    ground. Also, a lot of people don't go for this, so its not just me
    alone. You can be sure that many, many employees would side with you,
    at least in private. They are too worried about HR repurcussions to
    speak up.

    It... depends...

    Quite frankly, this is the equivalent of having your company purchased
    by a new owner that has no idea of how the business is run. You are certain they are going to crash the whole train. What people does in
    these cases is to leave en masse. Quite often whole teams leave at once and build a competing alternative, at least that is my experience.

    My experience is also that you can't fix management because management only hears what they want to hear. If management goes funky you have no hope of making it right because they are more powerful than you within
    the company structure. Wise people only fights battles they can win.

    And frankly, that seems to be working quite well because when you work
    at "ground" level you don't see much ideological crap in economic activities. When I go do my shopping or whatever it is rare to find
    woke in the real world. Yeah, some banks or supermarkets do a bunch of virtue signaling but those are easy enough to ostrazise.

    Seriously, if there is reason to be concerned, is the amount of institutional advertisement we get. Europe is starting to look like
    North Korea with so many ideological advertisements paid with contributor's money on TV and on the streets.

    The problem as I see it is that one political side is willing to throw
    out undesirables, to use rhetoric and power to sieze the moral
    zeitgeist, and other...isn't. At least not now.

    Some even go so far as to call anyone "right wing" who does actually
    want to prevent the emmiseration of their nation by being politically
    militant as "woke right".

    The prevailing ideology should be *mine*. If it not mine, or aligned
    with me, it will be someone elses, and I'll be the victim.

    You are either a predator or prey, and it seems that that anyone right
    of "centrist" just seems to focus on how live as a victim, rather than
    turning the tables.

    I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
    Left politics, the have to GO.

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  • From anthk@VERT to All on Thu May 29 23:59:22 2025
    On 2025-05-03, Boraxman <MSRDBBS!Boraxman@vert.synchro.net> wrote:

    phigan wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on
    Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am

    Maybe I'll check out Matrix.

    Personally, I think Matrix is best for just direct friends / family chats. Like a replacement for phone calls and SMSes. It's ok for small chat groups. Some people use it for larger chat gatherings like
    Discord, but I'm not a fan of Discord either, so maybe that gives me bias ;).

    Reddit Terminal Viewer is a new one on me, so I will have to look that up. Usually, though, I try not to sign in to Reddit in order to not be tempted to reply to a lot of the stupid that is on there. Plus, web forums are what killed BBSes, so I shake my fist at them (although Reddit is probably the best one).

    Usenet plus BBSes ... while there are certain users that you'll notice and hear from more than others, there is still a pretty good variety of people around and participating here and there. I say this frequenting BBSes of all the platforms (Amiga, Apple, Atari, Commodore, Macintosh, and PC).

    Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install
    it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
    want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
    Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to
    use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one
    client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
    Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I
    can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly)
    used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think
    Yahoo! Chat account.

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Boraxman on Fri May 30 04:41:01 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri May 30 2025 07:04 am


    I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
    Left politics, the have to GO.

    I worked for a company that used to be the worlds number one commercial printer.
    In the 90s, corporate decided that the workforce had to match the demographics of the area.

    End result, women getting promoted and/or put in positions they had no business being in. Example, a woman/girl working on a multi-million dollar piece of equipment when she couldn't even fix a chain on a bicycle. Have you ever heard a girl scream when she gets caught in a piece of machinery?

    But, like you said, it's not managements fault because they don't make bad decisions. Peter Principle.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Boraxman on Fri May 30 07:51:07 2025
    Boraxman wrote to Arelor <=-

    I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
    Left politics, the have to GO.

    Who's to say what's far left? It's too easy to lump whatever you want
    into "Woke" or "Far Left" and not debate the merits.

    Having some form of socialized health care so people don't go bankrupt
    paying medical bills? Being able to provide care for people before they
    need to go to an emergency room because they don't have a means of
    obtaining health care otherwise?

    Providing school lunches so kids who otherwise wouldn't get a
    meal can go through school with something in their stomach and learn
    more effectively?

    There are countless other social programs that have societal impacts -
    lower emergency care costs, higher school test scores and smarter kids.
    Both of which benefit society as a whole.

    I've been called far left on the Fido Politics board.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to anthk on Fri May 30 18:53:48 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: anthk to All on Thu May 29 2025 11:59 pm


    Just use Bitlbee (libpurple build) with any IRC client.

    bitlbee has a learning curve and the avg joe wouldn't want to mess with it to configure it with the protocols they use.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 30 20:38:49 2025
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-

    I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
    Left politics, the have to GO.

    Who's to say what's far left? It's too easy to lump whatever you want
    into "Woke" or "Far Left" and not debate the merits.

    Having some form of socialized health care so people don't go bankrupt paying medical bills? Being able to provide care for people before they need to go to an emergency room because they don't have a means of obtaining health care otherwise?

    Providing school lunches so kids who otherwise wouldn't get a
    meal can go through school with something in their stomach and learn
    more effectively?

    There are countless other social programs that have societal impacts - lower emergency care costs, higher school test scores and smarter kids. Both of which benefit society as a whole.

    As a person who is *decidedly* "not-left", I like this post, and agree
    with everything in it.

    But..., the only problem with ALL of that is that the money allocated to
    such things is generally wasted/frauded/abused/stolen/diverted by
    corrupt assholes and doesn't get used for what it's meant for.

    Just like all other "social programs" like welfare/foodstamps/rent, etc.

    The "answer" to all of that, by the Left, is to increase taxes on all of
    us, rather than STOPPING the corruption and blatant mis-management.
    That's a problem for me. <SHRUG>

    I've been called far left on the Fido Politics board.

    I don't doubt it. I only recently subscribed to that sewer, and am
    going to pull the plug on it, today.



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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Arelor on Wed Jun 4 06:17:20 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Arelor to Bogomips on Tue Jun 03 2025 11:02 am

    It makes me wonder if it is the same printer making company that had 10 open possitions, organized an exam, picked the 7 best and then 3 random DEI

    That reminds me of the last job I had. To be a technician you had to take an aptitude test. You could take it as many times as needed to pass. The DEI's would just take a picture of the test the first time since they would fail. Then the second time, they had the answers off the interweb. Un proctered. Eventually they just stopped requiering the exam all together.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Wed Jun 4 17:13:41 2025
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    And as thing stands, I personally find that placing the cut on
    political programs that criminalize being a semi-wealthy white heterosexual is quite a reasonable mark.

    And what political program would that be?


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 6 05:47:04 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Wed Jun 04 2025 05:13 pm

    And as thing stands, I personally find that placing the cut on political programs that criminalize being a semi-wealthy white heterosexual is quite a reasonable mark.

    And what political program would that be?


    Well, for starters, any political program that talks about "reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Fri Jun 6 07:19:54 2025
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Well, for starters, any political program that talks about
    "reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.

    That's a very reductive argument. There's been 250 years of systemic
    prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied. The
    people who've lived under those conditions are the poorest, most
    incarcerated, least represented citizens.

    Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
    famous and successful African-Americans.

    I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
    problem persists.




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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Jun 6 10:12:48 2025
    There's been 250 years of systemic
    prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied

    IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
    reach majority.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Fri Jun 6 12:22:07 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 06 2025 05:47 am

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Wed Jun 04 2025 05:13 pm

    And as thing stands, I personally find that placing the cut on political programs that criminalize being a semi-wealthy white heterosexual is quite a reasonable mark.

    And what political program would that be?


    Well, for starters, any political program that talks about "reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white

    also as i mentioned before, in the uk they weighted the penalties based on race and sex.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 6 12:24:13 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Jun 06 2025 07:19 am

    That's a very reductive argument. There's been 250 years of systemic
    prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied. The
    people who've lived under those conditions are the poorest, most
    incarcerated, least represented citizens.


    you can't remedy past actions from many decades ago. in our country those people that you talk about and secretly look down upon have many advantages to improve themselves. they are represented and THEN some.

    Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
    famous and successful African-Americans.

    you mean like BLM shit? hahaha

    I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
    problem persists.

    you're part of the problem.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jcurtis on Fri Jun 6 12:25:00 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jcurtis to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Jun 06 2025 10:12 am

    There's been 250 years of systemic
    prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied

    IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
    reach majority.

    I was in an area where 'minorities' are the majority.

    people have been leaving. it's full of blight and crime.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 6 14:49:36 2025
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Arelor <=-

    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Well, for starters, any political program that talks about
    "reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.

    That's a very reductive argument. There's been 250 years of systemic
    prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied. The
    people who've lived under those conditions are the poorest, most
    incarcerated, least represented citizens.

    Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
    famous and successful African-Americans.

    Haven't heard about this one. Any examples that you could provide?

    Also, is this like the previous administration removing all kinds of tributes/statues/memorials of famous and successful Southern-Americans
    from the Civil War era, because of what they stood for? Oh, and also
    like the renaming of military installations because they had
    "offensive" names?

    I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
    problem persists.

    What solution *would* you choose, pray tell? How, exactly, can this
    problem be "fixed"?



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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 6 17:08:56 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Jun 06 2025 07:19 am

    Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
    famous and successful African-Americans.

    You mean like... George Floyd?

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Jcurtis on Fri Jun 6 19:43:14 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jcurtis to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Jun 06 2025 10:12 am

    There's been 250 years of systemic
    prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied

    IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
    reach majority.

    That doesn't sound like something Jesus would say.
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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to DIGITAL MAN on Fri Jun 6 20:21:10 2025
    There's been 250 years of systemic
    prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied

    IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
    reach majority.

    That doesn't sound like something Jesus would say.

    It's a factual observation of human nature. People tend to abuse a
    dominant position. Jesus was not naive about it. And said so.

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