What was your most beautiful BBS
experience in modern times—let's say,
within the last 10 years or so? One
where you'd say, "Good thing those old
BBS dinosaurs are still around here
and there!"
I’ve had many truly amazing
experiences...
Like receiving great hardware donations
from Snobsoft (my BBS) users. But the
most recent event with my Australian BBS
video (see Ads Section) is something I
find particularly awesome right now. In
the Australian video about SX-64 user
Troy Duncan, I start off, among other
things, with a music video from Men At
Work ("Down Under"). And what does Troy
tell me? The guitarist from Men At Work
lives on his street! What an incredible
coincidence.
I'm still grinning about it.
Alright, now it’s your turn! :D
I would say simply finding out they are still active, and that there is an active community...
I didn't get too involved back when I first uses BBS's in the 90s, as I was young, still in school...
they are still active, and that there is an active community. Being
able to talk to SysOps, exchange information and learn. I didn't get
too involved back when I first uses BBS's in the 90s, as I was young,
still in school, so a bit wary about sending mail to random people.
Stranger danger and all that, and I didn't want to run up bills...
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experience
By: BoraxMan to All on Sun Apr 27 2025 02:11 am
they are still active, and that there is an active community. Being
able to talk to SysOps, exchange information and learn. I didn't get
too involved back when I first uses BBS's in the 90s, as I was young,
still in school, so a bit wary about sending mail to random people.
Stranger danger and all that, and I didn't want to run up bills...
i actually had a user who was a perv and trying to send young boys msgs
in the doorgames. he didn't go far enough to make it reportable. i
just got him kicked off most of the bbses. ---
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS
experience
By: BoraxMan to All on Sun
Apr 27 2025 02:11:30
I would say simply finding out they are still active, and that there is an active community...
Awww, that was gonna be my reply. Oh well, ditto that!
I didn't get too involved back when I first uses BBS's in the 90s, as I was young, still in school...
I had been in to it since about '86-'87, in my 20s and on my own for
the first time. The boards were a good source of info of what was
going on around me. And as cool as it is to have BBSes still around,
that local aspect doesn't exist anymore since every BBS is worldwoide these days. That's what I miss.
I remember once, can't remember which board, but I uploaded a file. The file was the DOS game Bananoid. I can't remember whether I was using Zmodem or Xmodem, but the file got uploaded with the filename "UPLOAD", which was obviously wrong. All subsequent files that anyone tried to upload, automatically got the name "UPLOAD", then it failed because there was already an
existing file. I thought I broke the BBS!
By: BoraxMan to All on Sun Apr 27
2025 02:11:30
I would say simply finding out
they
are still active, and that there
is
an active community...
And as cool as it is to
have BBSes still around, that local
aspect doesn't exist anymore since
every BBS is worldwoide these days.
That's what I miss.
Quoting Mortar to Boraxman <=-
I had been in to it since about '86-'87, in my 20s and on my own for
the first time. The boards were a good source of info of what was
going on around me. And as cool as it is to have BBSes still around,
that local aspect doesn't exist anymore since every BBS is worldwoide these days. That's what I miss.
Eesh! I do kind of wish I did engage more "socially" on BBS's back then. My focus was file sharing (yes, i did upload too!). I chatted once or twice, but most BBS's only had one line, and I thought FidoNet was a subscription
Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experience
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS
experience
By: Mortar to BoraxMan on
Sun Apr 27 2025 10:27 am
By: BoraxMan to Allon Sun Apr 27
2025 02:11:30
I would say simply finding out
they
are still active, and that there
is
an active community...
Finding Synchronet, where I'm
of course writing right now, was
also very cool for me. This is a
really nice combination of
old-school (as it's a BBS) and
modern elements (like being able
to post worldwide here, for example).
And as cool as it is to
have BBSes still around, that local
aspect doesn't exist anymore since
every BBS is worldwoide these days.
That's what I miss.
Yes, I miss the local aspect a lot
too, even though that sounds like a
contradiction to what I just wrote
above. Hey, unfortunately, it's no
longer 1985we can't change that.
ExactlyI also come from that BBS
era.
What I also would describe as a super
cool moment for me was when
The 8-Bit Guy suddenly showed up
in my BBS.
I would say simply finding out
they are still active, and that
there
is an active community. Being
able to talk to SysOps, exchange
information and learn. I didn't get
too involved back when I first uses
BBS's in the 90s, as I was young,
still in school, so a bit wary about
sending mail to random people.
Stranger danger and all that, and I
didn't want to run up bills...
The 8-Bit Guy suddenly showed up
in my BBS.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Mon Apr 28 2025 10:56 am
Eesh! I do kind of wish I did engage more "socially" on BBS's back then. My focus was file sharing (yes, i did upload too!). I chatted once or twice, but most BBS's only had one line, and I thought FidoNet was a subscription
those were good times back then. entirely differnet than what we have
now.
and with fidonet if you carried it you were expected to pay to recoup
the cost of operation. ie long distance bills, phone bills. atleast in
my area they wanted you to do that. ---
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experie
By: Snobsoft to Mortar on
Mon Apr 28 2025 11:33 am
Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experience
Mine would definitely have to be the first time that I managed to
download a file from a BBS whose name has sadly been lost in the mists
of time.
At the time all I had was a 14.4 PCMCIA modem hooked up to a crippled laptop running DOS 6 from a floppy drive and a hard drive with >100 MB free. And I could only run it in the dead of night when my parents were fast asleep.
But the realization that I could "reach out and grab something" at the
age of 12, was absolutely nothing short of WONDEROUS. I remembered
staring at that screen with my heartbeat going wild for quite some time
as my brain grappled with the sheer possibilities.
Being a lifelong nerd has its benefits, and that was one of them.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS
experience
By: BoraxMan to All on Sun
Apr 27 2025 02:11 am
I would say simply finding out
they are still active, and that
there
is an active community. Being
able to talk to SysOps, exchange
information and learn. I didn't get
too involved back when I first uses
BBS's in the 90s, as I was young,
still in school, so a bit wary about
sending mail to random people.
Stranger danger and all that, and I
didn't want to run up bills...
Basically, for me, it's fascinating
to relive (because it's not quite
the same as it used to be) what it's
like to be a Sysop today. During my
BBS days (from 1985 to around the
early 90s), I was "just" a user,
including on Snobsoft, which I now
manage.
Back then (at least I assume soI
wasn't a Sysop), as well as today, you
meet lots of nice and helpful people
through it, which is very enjoyable.
Maintaining the BBS, however, isn't
always that much fun (at least not for
me). But not everything can be perfect.
BTW: Initially, I didn't want to be a
Sysop after completing the project of
bringing the BBS back online after
almost 40 years of hiatus. Having
invested two years of work into it, I
was somewhat drained, and then Sysop
with all the aforementioned tinkering?
NoI didn't really want that at first.
But after some time of rejecting the
idea, I quickly realized that the
positive and interesting aspects
outweighed the downsides. So I accepted
that I'm now basically the Sysop
(and nobody else wanted the role
anyway).
The interesting aspects included, for
example, the fact that without the BBS
project, I would never have landed in
this BBS (Partybowl) or in Synchronet.
I also find this very cool. No spam,
and somehow you still get the feeling
of genuine online freedom with an
80s/90s vibe, etc. I also like the
straightforward functionality (once
you've adapted to it). The flashy
modern internet isn't necessarily
faster.
One memory, not that good is my mum telling me that my Dad was trying to call from the Melbourne Cricket Ground to arrange a life back home after going to a football game, and not getting through. I had been on a BBS. More than one this causes issues with the phone line tied up.
Call waiting kind of helped, kind of hurt. It stuffed up the call, but at least I could tell someone wanted to call.
I do NOT miss that! Always having in the back of your mind that someone might really need to call, and cant get through because youre playing some door game, or chatting to a friend modem-to-modem.
and with fidonet if you carried it
you
were expected to pay to recoup the
cost
of operation. ie long distance
bills,
phone bills. atleast in my area they
wanted you to do that.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Boraxman on Mon Apr 28 2025 06:24 pm
and with fidonet if you carried it you
were expected to pay to recoup the cost
of operation. ie long distance bills,
phone bills. atleast in my area they wanted you to do that.
Regarding Fido, I was always "just"
a user and saw it from the early
1990s on as a kind of similarly
cool continuation of the BBS era.
I was into Fido until about 1995/96, and then the internet arrived.
Was it a different experience to what BBSs are now? In terms of the social stuff...
Mine would definitely have to be the
first time that I managed to
download a
file from a BBS whose name has sadly
been lost in the mists of time.
At the time all I had was a 14.4
PCMCIA
modem hooked up to a crippled laptop
running DOS 6 from a floppy drive
and a
hard drive with >100 MB free. And I
could only run it in the dead of
night
when my parents were fast asleep.
But the realization that I could
"reach
out and grab something" at the age
of
12, was absolutely nothing short of
WONDEROUS. I remembered staring at
that
screen with my heartbeat going wild
for
quite some time as my brain grappled
with the sheer possibilities.
Being a lifelong nerd has its
benefits,
and that was one of them.
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Was it a different experience to what BBSs are now? In terms of the social stuff...
There used to be a much more varied group of people to have discussions with. I can actually remember when you could tell what network message area you were in because the posters were different from one network to another. Now it is mostly the same group in multiple networks.
I think the lack of memories from the
300 baud days in the 1980s is probably
because, for one, the phone costs were
way too expensive here in Germany back
then for download stuff. And secondly,
Shame, as I would like to speak to a broad range of people. It seem Reddit has become THE big "discussion" forum, with a huge ranger of sub-reddits that you can join. But the website sucks balls bad and it seems to have a very "Liberal"
bent and a bit of an echo chamber. Reddit Terminal Viewer makes reddit palatable. AT least its accessible easy over the phone. But there is
What I also would describe as a
super
cool moment for me was when
The 8-Bit Guy suddenly showed
up
in my BBS.
That was cool for 8-Bit Guy to make
BBS's more known.
To be honest, I
think Usenet is the 'perfect'
combination of old school technology
and worldwide communication. Even a
local NNTP server, combined with IRC
maybe shared file area, still a bit
better than the BBS, as you can use
your own editor with a Usenet
client.
why are you formatting your text
like that?
Granted, you can do that here to, if
you download a QWK packet and use
something like MultiMail, like I am
now, but its additional steps
The 8-Bit Guy suddenly showed up
in my BBS.
He got on mine, but only once :).
Agreed, kinda cool.
I think the lack of memories from
the
300 baud days in the 1980s is
probably
because, for one, the phone costs
were
way too expensive here in Germany
back
then for download stuff. And
secondly,
They were very expensive here in the
US too.
I had to explain to my wife
every
month why the phone bill (normally
$30/month) was now running 500-600
$/month. For this reason, I have a
very good memory of this period of
time. (Downloading at 300 baud.)
Starting the BBS up in Jan 1984
actually made my phone bills go down
after that since now people were
uploading files to me on their
nickel.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on Tue Apr 29 2025 08:04 am
Granted, you can do that here to, if
you download a QWK packet and use
something like MultiMail, like I am
now, but its additional steps
Yeah, the QWK stuff (I had almost forgotten about it until I found an option for it in the Partybowl BBS) was also really, really cool.
There used to be a much more varied group of people to have discussions
with. I can actually remember when you could tell what network message
area you were in because the posters were different from one network to
another. Now it is mostly the same group in multiple networks.
I've noticed that with Usenet as well. I'll post on a variety of sections, then
I'll see similar names up in Politics as I did in the Linux groups. I'm seeing now that Usenet is a much smaller world after all.
Reddit has become THE big "discussion" forum, with a huge ranger of sub-reddits that you can join. But the website sucks balls bad and it seems to have a very "Liberal"
bent and a bit of an echo chamber. Reddit Terminal Viewer makes reddit
And one thing I've noticed on Reddit sometimes is that some users seem to refer to Reddit as "this app" - maybe they tend to use the smartphone app most of the time and think of it that way.. Really, Reddit is an internet site and of course, can be viewed with a web browser or their app.
There used to be a much more varied group of people to have discussions with. I can actually remember when you could tell what network message area you were in because the posters were different from one network to another. Now it is mostly the same group in multiple networks.
I've noticed that with Usenet as well. I'll post on a variety of sections, then
I'll see similar names up in Politics as I did in the Linux groups. I'm seein
now that Usenet is a much smaller world after all.
Shame, as I would like to speak to a broad range of people. It seem Reddit ha
become THE big "discussion" forum, with a huge ranger of sub-reddits that you can join. But the website sucks balls bad and it seems to have a very "Liberal"
bent and a bit of an echo chamber. Reddit Terminal Viewer makes reddit palatable. AT least its accessible easy over the phone. But there is something
I don't like about ONE company having such control. The other discussion forums
are good, but single purpose (ie, specifically about computers, or gaming). Maybe I'll check out Matrix.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Snobsoft on Wed Apr 30 2025 01:14 pm
why are you formatting your text like that?
For my C64 :D
To be fair, Reddit does everything they can to pretend that the website doesn't exist. Whenever you dare to go their site, it's all "are you sure you want to use this terrible browser thing, why don't you download this mobile app so upi can't use an adblocker".
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am
Shame, as I would like to speak to a broad range of people. It seem Reddit has become THE big "discussion" forum, with a huge ranger of sub-reddits that you can join. But the website sucks balls bad and it seems to have a very "Liberal"
bent and a bit of an echo chamber. Reddit Terminal Viewer makes reddit palatable. AT least its accessible easy over the phone. But there is
reddit is real shitty and it's mostly liberals. they also have bots
that downvote people into oblivion . i havent seen that in a while, though.
it's basically ahole liberal nazis.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on
Tue Apr 29 2025 08:04 am
What I also would describe as a
super
cool moment for me was when
The 8-Bit Guy suddenly showed
up
in my BBS.
That was cool for 8-Bit Guy to make
BBS's more known.
Absolutely!
To be honest, I
think Usenet is the 'perfect'
combination of old school technology
and worldwide communication. Even a
local NNTP server, combined with IRC
maybe shared file area, still a bit
better than the BBS, as you can use
your own editor with a Usenet
client.
You're giving me ideas! They still exist? I'll definitely check them
out. What would you recommend for getting (back) into it? A specific program?
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Snobsoft on Wed
Apr 30 2025 01:14 pm
why are you formatting your text
like that?
For my C64 :D
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There used to be a much more varied group of people to have discussions with. I can actually remember when you could tell what network message area you were in because the posters were different from one network to another. Now it is mostly the same group in multiple networks.
I've noticed that with Usenet as well. I'll post on a variety of sections, then
I'll see similar names up in Politics as I did in the Linux groups. I'm
now that Usenet is a much smaller world after all.
The Usenet I really loved was the one where it seemed like folks from everywhere... often but not always colleges... were on there. I was
about to be/fresh out of college during that time and there were always
a lot of variety in discussions and viewpoints.
Shame, as I would like to speak to a broad range of people. It seem Redditha
become THE big "discussion" forum, with a huge ranger of sub-reddits thatyou
can join. But the website sucks balls bad and it seems to have a very "Liberal"
bent and a bit of an echo chamber. Reddit Terminal Viewer makes reddit palatable. AT least its accessible easy over the phone. But there is something
I don't like about ONE company having such control. The other discussion forums
are good, but single purpose (ie, specifically about computers, or gaming). Maybe I'll check out Matrix.
Yeah, I don't like it as much when one company has control. As for the bent, that may depend on what groups you are reading but I am not too surprised.
The worst thing is, that Reddit is often one of the only good sources, or reasonable source of answers to questions. Google's search results are bad, DuckDuckGo not much better. IF you want something other than a slop site, its pretty much Reddit, and thats not great.
Maybe I'll check out Matrix.
You're giving me ideas! They still exist? I'll definitely check them out. Wh would you recommend for getting (back) into it? A specific program?
Interesting. I always thought phone costs in the U.S. were very low.
to Reddit as "this app" - maybe they tend to use the smartphone app most of time and think of it that way.. Really, Reddit is an internet site and of
The worst thing is, that Reddit is often one of the only good sources, or reasonable source of answers to questions. Google's search results are bad,
You know, I think some of us (me at least!) would be joyed to see a photo of our post as displayed by the C64, especially if you're using a CRT display.
reddit is real shitty and it's
mostly
liberals. they also have bots that
downvote people into oblivion . i
havent seen that in a while, though.
it's basically ahole liberal nazis.
What I really miss is the culture of discussion we had here in Germany back in the 80s
and 90s (also in BBS, later Fido, and Usenet). I don't know how it was or is in the
USA,
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The Usenet I really loved was the one where it seemed like folks from everywhere... often but not always colleges... were on there. I was
about to be/fresh out of college during that time and there were always
a lot of variety in discussions and viewpoints.
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combination of old school technology
and worldwide communication. Even a
local NNTP server, combined with IRC
maybe shared file area, still a bit
better than the BBS, as you can use
your own editor with a Usenet
client.
You're giving me ideas! They still exist? I'll definitely check them
out. What would you recommend for getting (back) into it? A specific program?
NNTP servers or IRC? Both still exist.
IRC, well mIRC was big for Windows. I use HexChat and Weechat.
HexChat I think is avaiable on Windows?
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It depends on where you live (the U, S, and A is pretty big). In some places, the local calling area was the entire city or more (state?
maybe). But in other places, that local area was only a little chunk of
a city, and it would be a long distance call to only a few miles away.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri
May 02 2025 08:04 am
The worst thing is, that Reddit is often one of the only good sources, or reasonable source of answers to questions. Google's search results are bad, DuckDuckGo not much better. IF you want something other than a slop site, its pretty much Reddit, and thats not great.
The other day I Googled something, and one result was a Reddit thread
with someone asking the question. Someone answered "Google it." (which was downvoted), and someone replied that Google led them to that Reddit thread.. :P
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on
Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am
Maybe I'll check out Matrix.
Personally, I think Matrix is best for just direct friends / family
chats. Like a replacement for phone calls and SMSes. It's ok for small chat groups. Some people use it for larger chat gatherings like
Discord, but I'm not a fan of Discord either, so maybe that gives me
bias ;).
Reddit Terminal Viewer is a new one on me, so I will have to look that
up. Usually, though, I try not to sign in to Reddit in order to not be tempted to reply to a lot of the stupid that is on there. Plus, web
forums are what killed BBSes, so I shake my fist at them (although
Reddit is probably the best one).
Usenet plus BBSes ... while there are certain users that you'll notice
and hear from more than others, there is still a pretty good variety of people around and participating here and there. I say this frequenting BBSes of all the platforms (Amiga, Apple, Atari, Commodore, Macintosh,
and PC).
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri
May 02 2025 08:04 am
The worst thing is, that Reddit is often one of the only good sources, or reasonable source of answers to questions. Google's search results are bad,
http://imgur.com/a/Y0MSJDt
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on
Fri May 02 2025 08:15 am
You know, I think some of us (me at least!) would be joyed to see a photo of our post as displayed by the C64, especially if you're using a CRT display.
Would an Atari on an LCD be as welcome? ;) https://i.imgur.com/1Bg19iQ.jpeg
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu
May 01 2025 01:11 am
reddit is real shitty and it's
mostly
liberals. they also have bots that
downvote people into oblivion . i
havent seen that in a while, though.
it's basically ahole liberal nazis.
What I really miss is the culture of discussion we had here in Germany back in the 80s and 90s (also in BBS, later Fido, and Usenet). I don't know how it was or is in the USA, but here, things have dramatically worsened over the last 10 to 5 years (especially since COVID) in terms
of freedom of speech particularly online. Nowadays, in Germany, even sharing a harsh joke (a meme) about a politician can be enough to get a house search. Unbelievable. Look up "Apollo News" and "Schwachkopf".
This kind of treatment of government critics is something you'd expect only in dictatorships. Hey, the book 1984 was a warning, not an instruction manual.
I've also noticed that the moderation in a Reddit group I'm in is terrible. But I don't waste my time getting worked up about it.
Interesting that you used the term "liberal" above. I think it has a different meaning for you than it does here in Germany. Here, "liberal"
is generally seen as positiveassociated with freedom. The problem
we're facing (as mentioned above) clearly comes from the side I would
call pseudo- or lifestyle-left. It has nothing to do with the early leftists, who were always critical of authority and government. The once-renowned Spiegel magazine, which I already mentioned in this
thread, is the best example. It used to be critical of the government
now it's just a mouthpiece for them. Government criticism? For Trump?
Of course, all labeled as Nazis. Great speech of JD Vance in Munich. I think the overcompensation problem in Germany has never been as extreme
as it is today.
When it comes to crude jokes check
out the Joke Corner of the Snobsoft BBS (use a translator or
something). There are some pretty harsh jokes from the 1980s. Exactly
I have a lot of content in the BBS from 1985 onward. The jokes aren't always necessarily my type of humor but it was good that people were allowed to make them even about politicians. That should be a given
in a democracy, nothing that needs to be a big discussion.
Of course, people got annoyed at other BBS users back then too,
disagreed with their opinions. But afterward, they'd go have a beer together in real life. Today, you're often instantly treated as an
enemy if you have the "wrong" opinion. It's terrible. Especially when
it comes from the very people claiming to be "saving democracy." In reality, their suppression of dissenting opinions is the real threat to democracy.
They probably don't even understand the essence of democracy. Exactly that means talking to one another, listening to different perspectives, thinking them over and not canceling them.
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Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-
combination of old school technology
and worldwide communication. Even a
local NNTP server, combined with IRC
maybe shared file area, still a bit
better than the BBS, as you can use
your own editor with a Usenet
client.
You're giving me ideas! They still exist? I'll definitely check them
out. What would you recommend for getting (back) into it? A specific program?
NNTP servers or IRC? Both still exist.
Hint: Synchronet supports both NNTP and IRC. I played with them for a
bit, but I like the old-school telnet/QWK experience.
IRC, well mIRC was big for Windows. I use HexChat and Weechat.
HexChat I think is avaiable on Windows?
Yes, it is. I started using it a while ago, taking a break from mIRC.
Apparently HexChat has been dropped by the maintainer and they're
looking for someone to take up the reigns. :(
I could do the C64 myself, if only I were able to get it online.
Boraxman wrote to phigan <=-
You know, I think some of us (me at least!) would be joyed to see a photo of our post as displayed by the C64, especially if you're using a CRT display.
Would an Atari on an LCD be as welcome? ;) https://i.imgur.com/1Bg19iQ.jpeg
Very much so! Thanks!
I could do the C64 myself, if only I were able to get it online.
What was your most beautiful BBS
experience in modern timeslet's say,
within the last 10 years or so? One
where you'd say, "Good thing those old
BBS dinosaurs are still around here
and there!"
I've had many truly amazing
experiences...
Like receiving great hardware donations
from Snobsoft (my BBS) users. But the
most recent event with my Australian BBS
video (see Ads Section) is something I
find particularly awesome right now. In
the Australian video about SX-64 user
Troy Duncan, I start off, among other
things, with a music video from Men At
Work ("Down Under"). And what does Troy
tell me? The guitarist from Men At Work
lives on his street! What an incredible
coincidence.
I'm still grinning about it.
Alright, now it's your turn! :D
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The Usenet I really loved was the one where it seemed like folks from everywhere... often but not always colleges... were on there. I was about to be/fresh out of college during that time and there were always a lot of variety in discussions and viewpoints.
I hear you - there was a ba.* hierarchy with local San Francisco bay
area topics, then I hit the comp.* hierarchy for work info - primarily comp.dcom as I was in telecommunications at the time.
You'd get college grads and hardcore techies, a singles board where
people planned meetups, then some music groups had fan newsgroups.
I pretty much agree that so called
advocates of freedom have become the
ones who will slay it.
But what I really want to talk about
is
this:
They probably donâÃÂÃÂt
even
understand the essence of
democracy.
Exactly âÃÂÃÂ
that means talking to one
another,
listening to different
perspectives,
thinking them over âÃÂÃÂ
and not
canceling them.
Actually, the essence of democracy
is
to allow big groups of people to
force
their policies on small groups of
people without having to kill them.
I am actually more impressed by the
true original _organized_ democracy.
It
fell to the same essential defect,
but
it had the advantage of not being
universal - you got to vote only if
you
met the minimum requisites. This
basically meant the people who had
to
decide whether to go to war or not
was
the same people who would be funding
the war effort from their pockets or
who would be in the frontline.
why are you formatting your text
like that?
For my C64 :D
An actual real C64?
You know, I think some of us (me at
least!) would be joyed to see a
photo
of our post as displayed by the C64,
especially if you're using a CRT
display.
That can happen. The problem is that the self-proclaimed elites here in Germany are profoundly anti-democratic if they refuse to engage in the competition of arguments and instead seriously want to ban Germany's largest opposition party. Of course, using the "argument" that they are Nazis. Although nowadays, the majority in Germany no longer takes the loony lefties seriously. Today you're already a Nazi if you turn right twice at a traffic light.Of course, people got annoyed
at
other BBS users back then too,
disagreed with their opinions.
But
afterward, they'd go have a
beer
together in real life. Today,
you're often instantly treated
as
an
enemy if you have the "wrong"
opinion. It's terrible.
Especially
when
it comes from the very people
claiming to be "saving
democracy."
In reality, their suppression
of
dissenting opinions is the real
threat to democracy.
They probably don't even
understand the essence of
democracy. Exactly á that
means
talking to one another,
listening
to different perspectives,
thinking them over á and not
canceling them.
Unfortuantely, if my theory is
correct
(and its holding up so far),
this was going to happen, the
government has little choice about
it
and no one can fix it. It will get
worse until there is a breaking
point, at which things get UGLY.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Arelor to Snobsoft on
Sat May 03 2025 05:59 pm
I pretty much agree that so called
advocates of freedom have become the
ones who will slay it.
Looks like it. And do they really not notice? From my perspective, it's
so obvious what's happening - almost trivially clear.
But what I really want to talk about
is
this:
They probably dont
even
understand the essence of
democracy.
Exactly
that means talking to one
another,
listening to different
perspectives,
thinking them over
and not
canceling them.
Actually, the essence of democracy
is
to allow big groups of people to
force
their policies on small groups of
people without having to kill them.
Yes, that's one way to see it. But then the question remains - what
would be better? But you do write more about that further down.
I am actually more impressed by the
true original _organized_ democracy.
It
fell to the same essential defect,
but
it had the advantage of not being
universal - you got to vote only if
you
met the minimum requisites. This
basically meant the people who had
to
decide whether to go to war or not
was
the same people who would be funding
the war effort from their pockets or
who would be in the frontline.
That is very interesting. Then, quite concretely, "Panzer Toni" from
the German Greens (who have now become strictly conservative and pro-armament) who is erratically claiming to support "Ukraine until victory" should also head to the front himself. And I bet that he
wouldn't be so loud-mouthed anymore. So, a good idea. What I also don't quite understand again: Anyone who can think clearly should know that
1) Ukraine cannot win and 2) only a third world war would change that.
How delusional must one be to want to escalate such a conflict? Even
Biden was aware of the danger of a third world war, and Trump is now
doing the only right thing.
And he gets corresponding bashing from the above mentioned German loudmouths, because for some reason they remain stuck in their absurd fantasy world, where one can defeat a nuclear power without setting the entire world on fire.
Of course, one must also ignore the
fact that, since 2014, half of the Ukrainian army had already initiated constant bombardment against Russian Donbas minorities (around 30,000 deaths), meaning that the conflict actually began much earlier.
Naturally, the German propaganda media completely omit this. Likewise,
the continuous NATO expansion, and the ignorance of Russian protests against it - including NATO bases in Ukraine.
And yes, attacking a country is a violation of international law, which
is what Russia did - something that superpowers often do. Look at the
USA in Vietnam, etc. But the world is not simply black and white as in propaganda - and currently, for example, in the German mainstream
media, who should be ashamed of their one-sided reporting.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on
Sat May 03 2025 12:00 pm
Of course, people got annoyed
at
other BBS users back then too,
disagreed with their opinions.
But
afterward, they'd go have a
beer
together in real life. Today,
you're often instantly treated
as
an
enemy if you have the "wrong"
opinion. It's terrible.
Especially
when
it comes from the very people
claiming to be "saving
democracy."
In reality, their suppression
of
dissenting opinions is the real
threat to democracy.
They probably don't even
understand the essence of
democracy. Exactly that
means
talking to one another,
listening
to different perspectives,
thinking them over and not
canceling them.
Unfortuantely, if my theory is
correct
(and its holding up so far),
this was going to happen, the
government has little choice about
it
and no one can fix it. It will get
worse until there is a breaking
point, at which things get UGLY.
That can happen. The problem is that the self-proclaimed elites here in Germany are profoundly anti-democratic if they refuse to engage in the competition of arguments and instead seriously want to ban Germany's largest opposition party. Of course, using the "argument" that they are Nazis. Although nowadays, the majority in Germany no longer takes the loony lefties seriously. Today you're already a Nazi if you turn right twice at a traffic light.
That has something to do with the likely pathological overcompensation happening here in Germany, which I already mentioned in this thread. There's even a joke about it - better not express your opinion too
clearly unless you have a bathrobe ready. The background: A government-critical publication was supposed to be banned (something
one would normally only expect in dictatorships), and the images of the house search immediately went viral - showing the publisher in a
bathrobe after being pulled out of bed at dawn by the police storm troopers. Naturally, the mainstream media loyal to the system had
already been informed in advance, so they could capture "the blow for democracy" (1984, anyone?).
BTW: I'm neither a fan of the aforementioned publication nor the party
in question. But that's not the point. In a democracy, sharp and even polemical, unpopular criticism must be tolerated - if it cannot (see above), it risks no longer being a democracy. Once again - the JD Vance speech was on point.
BTW2: At least a court has ruled that the aforementioned scandalous ban
on an opposition publication was unlawful (pending the main trial).
Boraxman wrote to phigan <=-
Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install
it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to
use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one
client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I
can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly)
used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think
Yahoo! Chat account.
The ruling elite have a sort of dim
view of this, in that they can see
storm clouds, but now why they are
coming and what drives them. THAT
is
why they are acting this way.
Things
are spiralling out of control, and
they
think if they can limits speech,
prevent "Hate speech", police
peoples
thoughts, that will stop the bad
ideas
and we'll return to normal. My
position
is it wont, nothing can stop what is
coming now, and the trend you've
seen,
where people are becoming more and
more
polarised, will only continue until
its
logical conclusion.
I can't see how you can possibly
gain
more freedom now. Germans, and the
West, voted to take their own
freedom
away. They supported, and PROTESTED
FOR, policies which would deny
themselves freedom and take away
democratic rights. Even now, many,
many
Europeans and Westerners will fight
for
a material outcome which would
require
themselves to lose freedom, privacy
and
the right to free expression.
I say this because an "open society"
cannot be free. A "welcome culture"
cannot
be free. You want a pluralistic
society AND be free? That is the
error. Germany is cooked. Are you
willing to exert a German identity,
and
put it as supreme over the others?
No.
Well, welcome to hell.
After all, I don't care about
"choosing" who represents me. I
don't
have a choice as none of the two
major
parties represent anything CLOSE to
what I want.
Id rather a monarchy which delivered
an
actual future for me. I want a good
future, not the illusion of control.
Quoting Rixter to Snobsoft <=-
What was your most beautiful BBS
experience in modern timeslet's say,
within the last 10 years or so? One
where you'd say, "Good thing those old
BBS dinosaurs are still around here
and there!"
I've had many truly amazing
experiences...
Like receiving great hardware donations
from Snobsoft (my BBS) users. But the
most recent event with my Australian BBS
video (see Ads Section) is something I
find particularly awesome right now. In
the Australian video about SX-64 user
Troy Duncan, I start off, among other
things, with a music video from Men At
Work ("Down Under"). And what does Troy
tell me? The guitarist from Men At Work
lives on his street! What an incredible
coincidence.
I'm still grinning about it.
Alright, now it's your turn! :D
Thank you for a good post. I enjoy CJs place because the sysop there
plays games with us. Xbit BBS is a great gaming place as well.
Thank you Cougar. I hope you have a great day.Quoting Rixter to Snobsoft <=-
What was your most beautiful BBS
experience in modern timeslet's say,
within the last 10 years or so? One
where you'd say, "Good thing those old
BBS dinosaurs are still around here
and there!"
I've had many truly amazing
experiences...
Like receiving great hardware donations
from Snobsoft (my BBS) users. But the
most recent event with my Australian BBS
video (see Ads Section) is something I
find particularly awesome right now. In
the Australian video about SX-64 user
Troy Duncan, I start off, among other
things, with a music video from Men At
Work ("Down Under"). And what does Troy
tell me? The guitarist from Men At Work
lives on his street! What an incredible
coincidence.
I'm still grinning about it.
Alright, now it's your turn! :D
Thank you for a good post. I enjoy CJs place because the sysop there plays games with us. Xbit BBS is a great gaming place as well.
I don't know if this is the place, but I would like to extend my thanks
to all of you who keep the boards running. I liked the community in the
past and still find it engaging and fun.
I love to play Tradewars and I did try my hand at running a BBS back in
the early 90's but I wasn't very good at it. So my hats off to all of
you sysop's who take the time to run the boards for all of us.
Needless to say, I still love to play TW and I'm thankful for all of
you guys. Not just CJ and Rick but each and every one of you.
Thanks!
... Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20
I say this because an "open society" cannot be free. A "welcome culture"
cannot
be free. You want a pluralistic society AND be free? That is the error.
Germany is cooked. Are you willing to exert a German identity, and put it as supreme over the others? No. Well, welcome to hell.
I don't know if this is the place, but I would like to extend my thanks to all of you who keep the boards running. I liked the community in the past and still find it engaging and fun.
I love to play Tradewars and I did try my hand at running a BBS back in the early 90's but I wasn't very good at it. So my hats off to all of you sysop's who take the time to run the boards for all of us.
What I really miss is the culture
of
discussion we had here in Germany
back in the 80s and 90s (also in
BBS, later Fido, and Usenet). I
don't know how it was or is in
the USA
I was stationed in Germany in the
early
80's and what I liked was the
Deutchlanders really only said what
they meant. No "wells, ifs or what
ifs".
Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-
Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-
I do think Democracy's days are up. Not numbered, but finished. Of course we still have a democracy, but not one which can propel us in
the direction we need
to go. Too much emphasis is placed on "rights", but rights are not natural, they are granted, and they are granted for a purpose. Is our "right" to vote serving the purpose it was granted for?
I would argue no. As we only get to choose for a select few "approved" candidates, it seems we have no more choice than a child who is given
the false dichotomy by their parents. As we see in Europe, if anyone
does sneak in who falls outside the approved choices, they use non-democratic means to remove them.
I am actually more impressed by the
true original _organized_ democracy.
It
fell to the same essential defect,
but
it had the advantage of not being
universal - you got to vote only if
you
met the minimum requisites. This
basically meant the people who had
to
decide whether to go to war or not
was
the same people who would be funding
the war effort from their pockets or
who would be in the frontline.
Of course, one must also ignore the
fact that, since 2014, half of the Ukrainian army had already initiated constant bombardment against Russian Donbas minorities (around 30,000 deaths), meaning that the conflict actually began much earlier.
Naturally, the German propaganda media completely omit this. Likewise,
the continuous NATO expansion, and the ignorance of Russian protests against it - including NATO bases in Ukraine.
I don't see a solution, and I don't see Democracy, at least one reliant
on people voting, working. This is an enlightenment idea, based on the assumption that humans work to reason. This is proven untrue, and is
more and more untrue by the day as we find more and more ways to manipulate, brainwash, gaslight and mislead people.
Polybius identified the cycles civlisation goes through, and he
observed that democracy degenerates and leads to strongman politics.
We should bite the bullet perhaps, and accept this change, rather than carry on the farce for longer.
After all, I don't care about "choosing" who represents me. I don't
have a choice as none of the two major parties represent anything CLOSE
to what I want.
Id rather a monarchy which delivered an actual future for me. I want a good future, not the illusion of control.
Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-
I would argue no. As we only get to choose for a select few "approved" candidates, it seems we have no more choice than a child who is given the false dichotomy by their parents. As we see in Europe, if anyone does sneak in who falls outside the approved choices, they use non-democratic means to remove them.
Nightfox wrote to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Most memorable modern BBS
By: Cougar428 to RIXTER on Mon May 05 2025 08:22 am
I don't know if this is the place, but I would like to extend my thanks to all of you who keep the boards running. I liked the community in the past and still find it engaging and fun.
I love to play Tradewars and I did try my hand at running a BBS back in the early 90's but I wasn't very good at it. So my hats off to all of you sysop's who take the time to run the boards for all of us.
I think it's interesting that I've been running my current BBS longer
than I ran my original BBS in the 90s.. I enjoy running it, and I plan
to keep running it (at least for a while), as long as the community is still active.
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Boraxman wrote to phigan <=-
Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install
it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to
use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one
client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I
can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly)
used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think
Yahoo! Chat account.
I was going to mention Pidgin/GAIM - back in the AOL/MSN/Gtalk days, people were on all platforms - then, we used XMPP at work on a
dedicated server, I ran my own XMPP server - and could read/write
messages on all the networks with Pidgin.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on
Mon May 05 2025 08:10 am
After all, I don't care about
"choosing" who represents me. I
don't
have a choice as none of the two
major
parties represent anything CLOSE to
what I want.
Id rather a monarchy which delivered
an
actual future for me. I want a good
future, not the illusion of control.
I felt fairly well represented in Germany in the 1980s. Democracy still functioned well here, and freedom of speech was a given. The left was
not yet completely out of control. I even saw myself as left-wing, but
I have nothing to do with today's lifestyle/loony-lefties. I haven't changed - they have. What the Greens are advocating today is actually
what was considered typically right-wing in the 1980s (military interventions in other countries, obedience to authority, etc.). Left
and right can hardly be used in the same way as they were back then.
Back in the 80s, as I said, you could have real societal discussions
(even on BBS). People argued intensely about issues, and then had a
beer together afterward. Today, the climate is poisoned.
The concrete problem today: Germans voted for a political change, but
all parties have united against the largest opposition party in the so-called 'Brandmauer' which is deeply anti-democratic. The majority of voters are getting the exact opposite of what they voted for. This has never happened so drastically in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany. Now, we are seeing a continuation of the disastrous
loony-leftist policies - economically disastrous, and foreign
policy-wise, extremely dangerous.
The greatest threat to us in Germany, Europe, and beyond remains the
risk that the war in Ukraine could escalate into a European or even
global conflict over Ukraine. I am cautiously optimistic that Trump
will fix this. These are strange times when one can be glad to still
have Trump, I was never a fan of his.
Also bizarre: The loony-lefties annoyed us in Germany for years with completely exaggerated COVID measures. Now, we truly have the greatest threat to our lives since the Cuban Missile Crisis with the Ukraine
powder keg, and what do the Greens do? They pour fuel on the fire - unbelievable.
Arelor wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on
Mon May 05 2025 08:37 am
I say this because an "open society" cannot be free. A "welcome culture"
cannot
be free. You want a pluralistic society AND be free? That is the error.
Germany is cooked. Are you willing to exert a German identity, and put it as supreme over the others? No. Well, welcome to hell.
I think this is a matter of the point of view as who gets to be free
under which circumsptances.
In post 1950's fascist Spain, people were de-facto more free than they
are today - nobody was required to ask permission to have horses and
hens, you weren't supposed to report everything you do as you are today
- but only if you were, shall we say, Spanish-normative.
Which basically means if you were a working heterosexual non-communist Spaniard you were good to go and the only right you missed was
critizising the Party in the open. Lacking the power to citizise Franco
in the open is a big one for me, but I would trade the right to
critizise the government for the right not to be accountable for every decision I take in my life in a heartbeat. If I were gay I would think different.
I think I have already mentioned that people who like pluralistic open
for all cultures do so because they imagine they will be welcoming
people that are largely compatible with their views, or who can be evangelized and adapted to the local ways. The problem is people is not going to abbandon their ideas and morals just because they are on your soil. Can you imagine how successful would the population of a pro-
female genital mutilation society be in changing your views if you
moved there? Newsflash: your chances of changing the morals of a
newcomer are about the same.
This is not to say you can't have an open metropolitan society, just
that there will be consequences and that most people who propose this society model is not willing to accept them - and they will discover
that sooner or later.
In this regard the Japanesse model might be one of the most sustainable ones. People is more or less welcome to stay but you are expected to follow Japanesse rules to the letter while in public. It is fine if you bring European traditions but you are expected not to push them in
public.
Jimmy Anderson wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-
Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-
I do think Democracy's days are up. Not numbered, but finished. Of course we still have a democracy, but not one which can propel us in
the direction we need
to go. Too much emphasis is placed on "rights", but rights are not natural, they are granted, and they are granted for a purpose. Is our "right" to vote serving the purpose it was granted for?
I'm late to the discussion I know, but wanted to chime in here...
Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?
I've heard it touted the last few years to 'support democracy'
especially in the Tennessee state legislature. We didn't have one
before - we have had a representative republic.
As for the right not being natural, but granted. The US Constitution recognizes that they are 'granted' by our Creator. That implies the
Most High God - the Creator God - and not the government. I would
say that we are not granted in the sense that they are granted by
the government, but are 'granted' by our Creator at birth, which
makes them natural.
I would argue no. As we only get to choose for a select few "approved" candidates, it seems we have no more choice than a child who is given
the false dichotomy by their parents. As we see in Europe, if anyone
does sneak in who falls outside the approved choices, they use non-democratic means to remove them.
This I agree with, but whose fault is that? I believe we as a society
over the years have given up more and more control to 'the
establishment' and not put forth our own candidates. We had this conversation early on in our men's study group at church. We all agreed that if we want Christian values and a Biblical worldview we should
vote that way. This includes voting that way for county commisioner, school board, etc. and not just in the state or national elections. The comment was made that there are not always 'Christian candidates'
running, so we decided maybe it was time for us to step up and fill
those spots then.
My personal decision, with prayer of course, was to look at county commision or school board. The former is pretty much locked up for
my district, but the latter is currently held by my wife's cousin,
who has thought about retiring from the position. I talked to him and
he would be willing to endorse me and be more likely to step down
knowing there is another Christian ready to step in.
I don't see a solution, and I don't see Democracy, at least one reliant
on people voting, working. This is an enlightenment idea, based on the assumption that humans work to reason. This is proven untrue, and is
more and more untrue by the day as we find more and more ways to manipulate, brainwash, gaslight and mislead people.
This. In a nutshell... ^^^^
Polybius identified the cycles civlisation goes through, and he
observed that democracy degenerates and leads to strongman politics.
We should bite the bullet perhaps, and accept this change, rather than carry on the farce for longer.
After all, I don't care about "choosing" who represents me. I don't
have a choice as none of the two major parties represent anything CLOSE
to what I want.
Id rather a monarchy which delivered an actual future for me. I want a good future, not the illusion of control.
With a Biblical worldview, I see the future EVENTUALLY being one world government, but I don't support that, nor do I push for it. I know it
to be a 'future fact' is all. That being said, I beleive that the only true 'change' that will happen is one soul at a time.
Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-
the direction we need
to go. Too much emphasis is placed on "rights", but rights are not natural, they are granted, and they are granted for a purpose. Is our "right" to vote serving the purpose it was granted for?
I'm late to the discussion I know, but wanted to chime in here...
Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?
I was stationed in Germany in the early
80's and what I liked was the Deutchlanders really only said what they meant. No "wells, ifs or what ifs".
Nice to hear. In which area of Germany were you?
I think this is a matter of the
point
of view as who gets to be free under
which circumsptances.
In post 1950's fascist Spain, people
were de-facto more free than they
are
today - nobody was required to ask
permission to have horses and hens,
you
weren't supposed to report
everything
you do as you are today - but only
if
you were, shall we say,
Spanish-normative.
Which basically means if you were a
working heterosexual non-communist
Spaniard you were good to go and the
only right you missed was
critizising
the Party in the open. Lacking the
power to citizise Franco in the open
is
a big one for me, but I would trade
the
right to critizise the government
for
the right not to be accountable for
every decision I take in my life in
a
heartbeat. If I were gay I would
think different.
Nightfox wrote to Cougar428 <=-
I think it's interesting that I've been running my current BBS longer
than I ran my original BBS in the 90s.. I enjoy running it, and I plan
to keep running it (at least for a while), as long as the community is still active.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Boraxman on Mon May 05 2025 06:54 am
Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-
the direction we need
to go. Too much emphasis is placed on "rights", but rights are not natural, they are granted, and they are granted for a purpose. Is o "right" to vote serving the purpose it was granted for?
I'm late to the discussion I know, but wanted to chime in here...
Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?
i think boraxman is auCorrect, but I'm speaking in general terms as Australia is following the same broad trends as the US, Canada, France, Germany, UK, etc.
Signal has actually become my defacto "messenger" program. Not by choice, but simply by virtue of chance and others I know using it. However, it is not a replacement. Signal requires a phone, and it advertises to all that you use it.
Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I was hoping with IPv6 that each person could somehow obtain a static
IP or IP range that was static within a country/region. That way it
acted like a psuedo internet phone number, and chat clients could work without a central controller.
What all nets do you have?
I joined Battleship because it has a TON, but there's a 20 message limit per day...
Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?
i think boraxman is auCorrect, but I'm speaking in general terms as Australia is following the same broad trends as the US, Canada, France, Germany, UK, etc.
Signal has actually become my defacto "messenger" program. Not by choice, but simply by virtue of chance and others I know using it. However, it is not a replacement. Signal requires a phone, and it advertises to all that you use it.
https://signal.org/blog/phone-number-privacy-usernames/
I still hate the fact your account is limited to a phone number, but that is an administrative decission. Most modern users can't deal with user-password credentials at all.
Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
As for the right not being natural, but granted. The US Constitution recognizes that they are 'granted' by our Creator. That implies the
Most High God - the Creator God - and not the government. I would
say that we are not granted in the sense that they are granted by
the government, but are 'granted' by our Creator at birth, which
makes them natural.
I'm speaking in general. I would argue that the "End of Democracy" doesn't mean
you don't get to vote, it just means the system is not functionally a democracy.
We can see this in Germany, where the parties have ganged up to prvent
a rising party, the jailing of Le Pen, the overturning of the Romanian election and Lawfare against Trump and the "fortifying" of the 2020 election. Could it outright disappear? Maybe, in some nations it
could lead to fascism, but not right now. I think we'll see "managed demoracy", where a ruling elite gatekeep everything, effectively a one-party or one-ideology system in disguise.
With a Biblical worldview, I see the future EVENTUALLY being one world government, but I don't support that, nor do I push for it. I know it
to be a 'future fact' is all. That being said, I beleive that the only true 'change' that will happen is one soul at a time.
I think people are pushing for this, but I see it as unworkable. There are people who believe that the world could unite, there is "one humanity". They're
mistaken, and we will pay dearly for them continiuing with this
delusion.
Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-
That is a very smart post from you. It shows how important it is to
know that there are different perspectives, not just the one and only truth. Unfortunately, not many people are able to imagine other
viewpoints and thus develop understanding accordingly.
Arelor wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN
on Tue May 06 2025 08:09 am
Signal has actually become my defacto "messenger" program. Not by choice, but simply by virtue of chance and others I know using it. However, it is not a replacement. Signal requires a phone, and it advertises to all that you use it.
Actually, your phone number is no longer advertised if you don't want
to.
https://signal.org/blog/phone-number-privacy-usernames/
I still hate the fact your account is limited to a phone number, but
that is an administrative decission. Most modern users can't deal with user-password credentials at all.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I was hoping with IPv6 that each person could somehow obtain a static
IP or IP range that was static within a country/region. That way it
acted like a psuedo internet phone number, and chat clients could work without a central controller.
I suppose, even with IPV4 and DDNS, you could do something like that.
More and more ISPs are moving to carrier-grade NAT, though -
eliminating any possibility of interconnection.
XMPP/Jabber would have done that - run your own jabber server and
with DDNS or a static IP you could connect directly.
Telegram allows you to hide your number, but not hide the fact you are using it. If you use Signal you have to resign yourself to the fact that everyone else who has your number will know you are on it. With Telegram, they'll know your username. I guess its to make things easier, but I wasn't comfortable with
that software making announcements like that automatically.
I may NOT WANT someone who has my number to know I'm using Signal.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Tue May 06 2025 07:31 pm
Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?
i think boraxman is auCorrect, but I'm speaking in general terms as Australia is following the same broad trends as the US, Canada, France, Germany, UK, etc.
well i knew a few people online from the au and i think you guys are a
bit worse in that area, as is canada and uk. americans still love their rights and fight for them; that is why they have to take creative
measures to take them away from us. ---
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Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
As for the right not being natural, but granted. The US Constitution recognizes that they are 'granted' by our Creator. That implies the
Most High God - the Creator God - and not the government. I would
say that we are not granted in the sense that they are granted by
the government, but are 'granted' by our Creator at birth, which
makes them natural.
I'm speaking in general. I would argue that the "End of Democracy" doesn't mean
you don't get to vote, it just means the system is not functionally a democracy.
Gotcha! The issue here in Tennessee is there is a vocal group that
claim they are not being heard. The way it works is that there are Representatives sent from different districts. Each district has ONE
Rep that represents 70,000 ish people. Each Rep has the same vote as
the next one. When 'majority rules' in the House of Representatives,
there are some who stand up and say they aren't representing the views
of everyone.
Well... That's the definition of democracy, or representative republic. Everyone has an equal say, and majority rules. :-) It's just
frustrating hearing them complain and say they are not being heard,
when the truth is they ARE, but the state AS A WHOLE has sent more
people to Congress that do NOT vote that way.
We can see this in Germany, where the parties have ganged up to prvent
a rising party, the jailing of Le Pen, the overturning of the Romanian election and Lawfare against Trump and the "fortifying" of the 2020 election. Could it outright disappear? Maybe, in some nations it
could lead to fascism, but not right now. I think we'll see "managed demoracy", where a ruling elite gatekeep everything, effectively a one-party or one-ideology system in disguise.
Yep - I think Trump is the exception to this... George Bush Sr. was
VERY globally minded, so it's not just one party. The 'establishment' seems to strive to hold itself up, and historically speaking we ARE
moving toward even a global gatekeeper society. And of course Daniel
and John both saw this coming, so it shouldn't be a surprise. :-)
With a Biblical worldview, I see the future EVENTUALLY being one world government, but I don't support that, nor do I push for it. I know it
to be a 'future fact' is all. That being said, I beleive that the only true 'change' that will happen is one soul at a time.
I think people are pushing for this, but I see it as unworkable. There are people who believe that the world could unite, there is "one humanity". They're
mistaken, and we will pay dearly for them continiuing with this
delusion.
I think that is the very reason the AntiChrist will be able to have
the
sway over the nations - because he will bring peace and unity that the
world hasn't seen since, as you mentioned, the Tower of Babal!
Jimmy Anderson wrote to Boraxman <=-
Gotcha! The issue here in Tennessee is there is a vocal group that
claim they are not being heard. The way it works is that there are Representatives sent from different districts. Each district has ONE
Rep that represents 70,000 ish people. Each Rep has the same vote as
the next one. When 'majority rules' in the House of Representatives,
there are some who stand up and say they aren't representing the views
of everyone.
Nightfox wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
Re: Most memorable modern BBS
By: Jimmy Anderson to Nightfox on Mon May 05 2025 05:51 pm
What all nets do you have?
I joined Battleship because it has a TON, but there's a 20 message limit per day...
I'm connected to DOVE-Net, FSXNet, FidoNet, AgoraNet, HobbyNet,
StarNet, MusicalNet, and DeveloperNet.
Nightfox
Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
This is why the leaders that be, are desperately trying to muddy up the culture and identity of Western countries, as they are seeking to eradicate long standing nations and replace us with a commercialised, homogenised "mass consumer" that has no national or cultural loyalty,
and is easily pliable.
I agree! My pastor is a Star Trek fan - mainly the old series. I mentioned one time that it's based on a one world government in the future - all wars have been done away with, etc. It was interesting watching his eyes open.
:-)
Inner city Australians desperately want to virtue signal that they are
not like Trump. We do love authority more than Americans. We (not me personally) pride ourselves more on following rules, not bucking the trend.
I agree! My pastor is a Star Trek fan - mainly the old series. I mentioned one time that it's based on a one world government in the future - all wars have been done away with, etc. It was interesting watching his eyes open.
:-)
i'm sure nightfox would love that to happen because he cries when someone says the word shit.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
Jimmy Anderson wrote to Boraxman <=-
Gotcha! The issue here in Tennessee is there is a vocal group that
claim they are not being heard. The way it works is that there are Representatives sent from different districts. Each district has ONE
Rep that represents 70,000 ish people. Each Rep has the same vote as
the next one. When 'majority rules' in the House of Representatives,
there are some who stand up and say they aren't representing the views
of everyone.
My 15 year old daughter can't tell the difference between "You're not agreeing with me" and "You're not listening to me". Too often, contemporary politics mirrors her behavior. Either we need to up-level
the level of political discourse, or she'll make one incredible politician... :)
Nightfox wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
I agree! My pastor is a Star Trek fan - mainly the old series. I mentioned one time that it's based on a one world government in the future - all wars have been done away with, etc. It was interesting watching his eyes open.
:-)
:) My wife and I are also Star Trek fans. I've been going to church
with her for the past couple years, but I didn't grow up reading the
bible or going to rhuch or anything, so I'm no expert in it.. but I
have heard a world government is predicted in Revelations as a sign of
end times, isn't it?
I can see how Christians might be nervous about
that,
though I don't think it necessarily means it would be the end
times. Star Trek tends to have a positive view of our future.
MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Wed May 07 2025 08:05 am
Telegram allows you to hide your number, but not hide the fact you are using it. If you use Signal you have to resign yourself to the fact that everyone else who has your number will know you are on it. With Telegram, they'll know your username. I guess its to make things easier, but I wasn't comfortable with
that software making announcements like that automatically.
I may NOT WANT someone who has my number to know I'm using Signal.
there is no such thing as privacy and there is no such thing as being safe. if you don't want to be in the game, dont play in the game.
that means dont be online. otherwise your info is out there.
Jimmy Anderson wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
This is why the leaders that be, are desperately trying to muddy up the culture and identity of Western countries, as they are seeking to eradicate long standing nations and replace us with a commercialised, homogenised "mass consumer" that has no national or cultural loyalty,
and is easily pliable.
I agree! My pastor is a Star Trek fan - mainly the old series. I
mentioned one time that it's based on a one world government in the
future - all wars have been done away with, etc. It was interesting watching his eyes open.
:-)
Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in the dustbin where it belongs...
They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is incredible.
Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is
Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in
the dustbin where it belongs...
They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has
failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is
incredible.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Jimmy Anderson on Thu May 08 2025 11:42 am
You don't understand the difference between a dystopian future and a utopian future.
It's not "baby boomer claptrap"
Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-
That is a very smart post from
you. It shows how important it
is
to
know that there are different
perspectives, not just the one
and
only truth. Unfortunately, not
many people are able to imagine
other
viewpoints and thus develop
understanding accordingly.
There are MANY perspectives and many
viewpoints, but there is only one
'truth' - or else it's not the
truth.
Either there is ONE TRUTH or
there is no actual truth...
MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed May 07 2025 07:01 pm
Inner city Australians desperately want to virtue signal that they are
not like Trump. We do love authority more than Americans. We (not me personally) pride ourselves more on following rules, not bucking the trend.
rules are fine, if they make sense.
I just remember those 2 police officers jumping on an australian women because she wasn't wearing a mask in a park and they exposed her crotch (she had a dress on and they struggled with her and it was pulled up).
That shit makes me mad and i think mob rule should kick in at that
point and they should have got their asses beat severely.
also there's this shit where you can go to jail for saying something people don't like. like this one lady in the uk spoke out against immigrants when she read a story about a muslim immigrant killing 3
girls. was the story true? who knows. the media over there is more
fucked than the usa media.
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/uk-woman-jailed-inciting-racial-hatre d-not-posting-hurtful-words-2024-10-29/
i'm sure nightfox would love that to happen because he cries when
someone says the word shit. ---
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Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is
Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in
the dustbin where it belongs...
They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has
failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is
incredible.
I don't think there's anything wrong with having a hopeful view that humanity can improve. And ehat do you mean by "they were so arrogant to think they could make work what has failed throughout history"? Star
Trek is fiction; nobody has actually made anything work.
Also, Star Trek isn't all like that. Deep Space 9, for instance, shows some of the corruption of people and doesn't portray the future in a totally perfect light.
Yes, the world isn't perfect. But as a work of fiction, I've often
thought Star Trek had a sense of having ideals that we should be (not necessarily as we are).
Nightfox
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Jimmy Anderson
on Thu May 08 2025 11:42 am
Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in the dustbin where it belongs...
They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is incredible.
You don't understand the difference between a dystopian future and a utopian future.
It's not "baby boomer claptrap"
Star Trek is fully automated, luxury, gay, space-communism.
it? I can see how Christians might be nervous about that, though I don't think it necessarily means it would be the end times. Star Trek tends to
it? I can see how Christians might be nervous about that, though I don't
think it necessarily means it would be the end times. Star Trek tends to
True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.
Thats an obtuse take. There are certaintly degrees of privacy. I can choose to use my real name, put my real address, or not.
You don't know my address, my phone number, where I work, do you?
True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.
Well yeah, though what I meant was just taking something as a sign that the rapture is going to happen soon.
Quoting Boraxman to Mro <=-
there is no such thing as privacy and there is no such thing as being safe. if you don't want to be in the game, dont play in the game.
that means dont be online. otherwise your info is out there.
Thats an obtuse take. There are certaintly degrees of privacy. I can choose to use my real name, put my real address, or not.
You don't know my address, my phone number, where I work, do you?
Quoting Boraxman to Jimmy Anderson <=-
I agree! My pastor is a Star Trek fan - mainly the old series. I
mentioned one time that it's based on a one world government in the
future - all wars have been done away with, etc. It was interesting watching his eyes open.
Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is
Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in
the dustbin where it belongs...
They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has
failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is incredible.
Quoting Nightfox to Daitengu <=-
You don't understand the difference between a dystopian future and a utopian future.
It's not "baby boomer claptrap"
"He doesn't understand!"
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uuKimFl3-G8/maxresdefault.jpg
Nightfox
Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
Jimmy Anderson wrote to Boraxman <=-
Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is
Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in
the dustbin where it belongs...
They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has
failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is incredible.
Nightfox wrote to Boraxman <=-
Yes, the world isn't perfect. But as a work of fiction, I've often
thought Star Trek had a sense of having ideals that we should be (not necessarily as we are).
Snobsoft wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
That is a very smart post from
you. It shows how important it
is
to
know that there are different
perspectives, not just the one
and
only truth. Unfortunately, not
many people are able to imagine
other
viewpoints and thus develop
understanding accordingly.
There are MANY perspectives and many
viewpoints, but there is only one
'truth' - or else it's not the
truth.
Either there is ONE TRUTH or
there is no actual truth...
Hmm - I have to think about that one :D
Boraxman wrote to DaiTengu <=-
Depict whatever you like in fiction, but be clear of the difference between what works in fiction and what works in reality. Anyone can
make their ideals work in fiction and convince people that real life
would work according to their rules. *Atlas Shrugged* *cough* Trouble happens when people insist that the fictional ideology WOULD work, if
only it were for said "bad" people ruining it. Therein lies danger,
and issues which younger people today are having to bear the brunt of,
and future generations are going to be emisserated by. I think it is quite likely that in some Western countries, blood will literally be
shed as a result of these social experiments of the 20th century going wrong.
Communism was already a proven deadly failure, and the dream of a "one world" is an old one with a bad history.
The hippie ideals didn't pan out, but they insist its not they
who were wrong, but everyone else. Its always the "idealists" that
cause trouble. The most deadly belief system of the 20th century was "utopian".
Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-
since the 60s. Nothing ages faster like science fiction, as science fiction is often just "current day" values and prejudices in a future setting.
Boraxman wrote to DaiTengu <=-
Star Trek is fully automated, luxury, gay, space-communism.
I understand the difference between fantasy and reality.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 08 2025 11:38 am
Thats an obtuse take. There are certaintly degrees of privacy. I can choose to use my real name, put my real address, or not.
You don't know my address, my phone number, where I work, do you?
if someone wanted to find out they could.
---
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Bogomips wrote to Nightfox <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Nightfox to Jimmy Anderson on Wed May 07 2025 12:35 pm
it? I can see how Christians might be nervous about that, though I don't think it necessarily means it would be the end times. Star Trek tends to
True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.
Nightfox wrote to Bogomips <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Bogomips to Nightfox on Thu May 08 2025 03:00 pm
it? I can see how Christians might be nervous about that, though I don't
think it necessarily means it would be the end times. Star Trek tends to
True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.
Well yeah, though what I meant was just taking something as a sign that the rapture is going to happen soon.
Bogomips wrote to Nightfox <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Nightfox to Bogomips on Thu May 08 2025 03:50 pm
True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.
Well yeah, though what I meant was just taking something as a sign that the rapture is going to happen soon.
This is how I understand it, It has to do with Israel being established last century, and the rapture happening within a generation of that
event. I am paraphrasing here.
I understand the difference between fantasy and reality.
They never really show what it's like to be a civilian in a Star Trek universe. Some books discuss it, but they're not canon. Imagine a world
I just leave my car idling with the keys in the ignition when I go
shopping. Someone informed me that some people are capable of
stealing the car even when its locked, so I don't bother anymore.
Same with the house, as people can break in through the security door anyway, even when I've locked it, I just leave the doors open all day.
In fast, I just dump my valuables on the lawn.
Isreal became a nation in the eyes of the world in 1947 - people said a generation was 70 years - so that put it toward the end of the 20th century.
I just leave my car idling with the keys in the ignition when I go shopping.
True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.
Even take the rapture out of the equation, Christians should be anxious
for nothing. :-)
Or to be more clear, Christians shouldn't allow ANYTHING to make them nervous.
Here's the thing, though. Isreal IS a 'legal nation' but it still does
NOT encompass the land promised by God to Abram/Abraham, so has that
part of the prophecy been fulfilled or not?
I was stationed in Germany in the early 80's and what I liked was the Deutchlanders really only said what they meant. No "wells, ifs or what ifs".Indeed. No unnecessary pleasantries or smiles either. :-)
Nightfox wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 10:22 am
Isreal became a nation in the eyes of the world in 1947 - people said a generation was 70 years - so that put it toward the end of the 20th century.
1947 + 70 is 2017..
Bogomips wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 10:22 am
True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.
Even take the rapture out of the equation, Christians should be anxious
for nothing. :-)
Or to be more clear, Christians shouldn't allow ANYTHING to make them nervous.
That's a fact. Something I struggle with all the time. Nobodys perfect, but I can aspire to let God handle everything.
Bogomips wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 10:22 am
Here's the thing, though. Isreal IS a 'legal nation' but it still does
NOT encompass the land promised by God to Abram/Abraham, so has that
part of the prophecy been fulfilled or not?
Isn't that Jerusalem?
nervous.
That's a fact. Something I struggle with all the time. Nobodys perfect, but I can aspire to let God handle everything.
MRO wrote to Bogomips <=-
That's a fact. Something I struggle with all the time. Nobodys perfect, but I can aspire to let God handle everything.
i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for god
to give me strength and help me to be a good man. ---
I was stationed in Germany in the early 80's and what I liked was the Deutchlanders really only said what they meant. No "wells, ifs or what ifs".Indeed. No unnecessary pleasantries or smiles either. :-)
That's a fact. Something I struggle with all the time. Nobodys perfect, but I can aspire to let God handle everything.
i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for god to give me strength and help me to be a good man.
That is a very smart post
from
you. It shows how important
it
is
to
know that there are
different
perspectives, not just the
one
and
only truth. Unfortunately,
not
many people are able to
imagine
other
viewpoints and thus develop
understanding accordingly.
There are MANY perspectives and
many
viewpoints, but there is only one
'truth' - or else it's not the
truth.
Either there is ONE TRUTH or
there is no actual truth...
Hmm - I have to think about
that
one :D
Please do! I meant it serious! Let
me
know what you come up with please!
The original series would end with such things
- a sense of 'boy, if only we could all be
like that' or 'such peace - let's hope all of
mankind can follow.'
... Does the Little Mermaid wear an algaebra?
...& waiting in the checkout line to pay..
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Nightfox on Fri May 09 2025 08:48:18
The original series would end with such things
- a sense of 'boy, if only we could all be
like that' or 'such peace - let's hope all of
mankind can follow.'
If you want to see an episode that bucked the traditional ending, watch "City on the Edge of Forever". It was written by Harlan Ellison and was a Hugo Award winner.
Also, not all grocery stores where I live have self-checkout.
Same here, but those are the smaller mom-and-pop and boutique stores. 'Course, those have fewer customers, so it's not a big deal.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Bogomips on Sat May 10 2025 07:18 pm
exists. The funny thing is, the people that don't believe in god think about god more than anybody else.
Why think about god? We try to understand the brain washing that it took to effect the masses.
MRO wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
god
to give me strength and help me to be a good man. ---
Do you think you're a good person?
I try to be a good person every day and i put other people ahead of me
and I try to put myself in other people's shoes. I certainly don't do bad things. I also do what some would consider 'good things' without shooting videos or calling newspapers or telling people about it.
Like my hooker killings. dirty whores deserve to die.
MRO wrote to Bogomips <=-
i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for god to give me strength and help me to be a good man.
That's all anyone can ask/pray for. Guidance.
god gives you everything you need when you are born. i always say that god is not superman. he's not there to fly down and rescue you all the time. and he's not there to knock on your door and tell you that he exists. The funny thing is, the people that don't believe in god think about god more than anybody else. ---
Boraxman wrote to Bogomips <=-
I'm willing to place a very large bet that there will be no rapture.
What is it with US Christians and the obession with Israel?
Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
Actully, this idea that we could unite, is a particularly Western
idea, probably British. See, *we* assume that. Because we are
projecting our values system onto the rest of the world. We believe
there can be universal values, that we can share, but really, this is
us projecting our own *parochial* values.
See, this idea is us
pushing OUR values onto the rest of the world! So for the world to "unite", it actually means they must accept and subscribe to OUR
values at the expense of theirs.
Western arrogance just assumes the
rest of the world will see the supremacy of *our* ideas and follow
*our* path. Universal ethics is a predominantly Western invention,
with some elements in Abrahamic religion. Islam does have something
like this (hence the clash, but much of the rest of the world doesn't. Their values system doesn't work that way.
Hence why it was alway a pipedream, and why this experiment will end
in tears. Its a vision that never really will exist outside of the Anglosphere, because its a specifically Anglosphere idea, with some of Europe kind of half heartedly following the lead.
In short, what Captain Kirk was saying, was essentially only going to work, if we could be culturally imperialistic enough to force our
Western values on the rest of the world, which paradoxically, only
works if you are NOT tolerant of other beliefs! (which leads to
resentment and conflict).
Nightfox wrote to Mortar <=-
Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot quicker.
There's often a line for that too. Also, not all grocery stores where
I live have self-checkout. And there are some that added it a few
years ago (during covid) but then removed it.
god is not superman. he's not there to fly down and rescue you
Quoting Mro to Jimmy Anderson <=-
i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for
god
to give me strength and help me to be a good man. ---
Do you think you're a good person?
I try to be a good person every day and i put other people ahead of me
and I try to put myself in other people's shoes. I certainly don't
do bad things. I also do what some would consider 'good things'
without shooting videos or calling newspapers or telling people about
it.
Like my hooker killings. dirty whores deserve to die.
If so, I'd like you to prove to yourself that
you are NOT a good person...
we are given everything in nature that we need to see to know that God exists. But He also will 'knock on your heart' as an individual. We call that the Spirit calling you.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Bogomips on Sat May 10 2025 07:18 pm
god is not superman. he's not there to fly down and rescue you
Why is there something rather than nothing. Easy answer. God. Without cause there would be no universe. Atheism wonders, if God caused the universe who caused God. I am the Alpha and Omega says the Lord, the first and the last.
What eternity means we cannot say. We are like dogs looking at calculus equations on a blackboard. Dogs can do some tricks but will never understand calculus. It is beyond their intellectual design limits.
We are the same compared to God. He exists in a higher dimension. We are limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human philosophy or scientific observation.
God gave humans free will. He could intervene to stop evil, but that would contradict the meaning of free will. Logically, it must play out. Until the Kingdom comes, pray.
Uh... OK!
Wait. Your kidding right? Pulling my leg?
No?
Wow...
Jcurtis wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Bogomips on Sat May 10 2025 07:18 pm
god is not superman. he's not there to fly down and rescue you
Why is there something rather than nothing. Easy answer. God. Without cause there would be no universe. Atheism wonders, if God caused the universe who caused God. I am the Alpha and Omega says the Lord, the
first and the last.
What eternity means we cannot say. We are like dogs looking at calculus equations on a blackboard. Dogs can do some tricks but will never understand calculus. It is beyond their intellectual design limits.
We are the same compared to God. He exists in a higher dimension. We
are limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human
philosophy or scientific observation.
God gave humans free will. He could intervene to stop evil, but that
would contradict the meaning of free will. Logically, it must play out. Until the Kingdom comes, pray.
I get what you mean, I'm just saying that lets say my daughter is on
the Internet. Shes going to be safer not giving away her age,
address, phone number or school she goes to. I argue, that if she
doesn't give away this information say, in the lobby of an online
game, then it DOES help against predators.
where do you live
I'm sure you could find out, but hey I was being facetious...
Not sure about you sometimes. Don't knock on my door...
Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot
quicker.
limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human philosophy or scientific observation.
It makes me think its less about scripture and more about influence and manipulation. I'm from an Orthodox family myself, and Israel doesn't
really factor into much at all.
Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to phigan on
Tue May 13 2025 06:59 pm
Its amusing that people can both simultaneously state that "He" is
beyond all comprehension and understanding, AND also state to know
exactly what He wants, what His plans are and what He thinks.
That's not how it is. Jesus said if they don't believe Moses they won't believe miracles either.
I need to see/experience something myself to believe
PHIGAN wrote to MORTAR <=-Because of the decadent fast food wage in California they added self checkouts, but seniors, disabled or people who are techphobes can be served by someone.
Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.
NIGHTFOX wrote to PHIGAN <=-I like WinCo, they have a good in house pizza place.
Re: Checking Out
By: phigan to Mortar on Mon May 12 2025 05:44 pm
There's a popular chain of grocery stores in my area (WinCo) that has relatively low prices. They have checkers, but you have to bag your
own stuff (which they say contributes to keeping their prices low). They've always been like that.
Caution is wise. Jesus said false Christs and false prophets would arise and mislead many. God and religion are not the same thing.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jcurtis to Boraxman on Tue May 13 2025 10:04 pm
Caution is wise. Jesus said false Christs and false prophets would
arise
and mislead many. God and religion are not the same thing.
I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(
Quoting Mro to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to MRO on Tue May 13 2025 08:45 am
Now I know your coming. I'd like you to say hello to my little
friend... No not the fly fisherman, my Remington.
you are probably a horrible aim.
Have a great day Mr O.!
you said my name wrong.
Telegram allows you to hide your number, but not hide the fact you are using it. If you use Signal you have to resign yourself to the fact that everyone else who has your number will know you are on it. With Telegram, they'll know your username. I guess its to make things easier, but I wasn't comfortable with
that software making announcements like that automatically.
New default: Your phone number will no longer be visible to everyone in Signal. If you use Signal, your phone number will no longer be visible to everyone you chat with by default.
If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
outweigh the cons...
They never really show what it's like to be a civilian in a Star Trek universe. Some books discuss it, but they're not canon. Imagine a world where power no longer requires the exploitation of resources or people -
you could set up a matter/antimatter reactor and power a city without
waste products. How would that change economies when there's no more scarcity? Want a diamond? With enough energy, you could turn charcoal briquets into a necklace. Need to create fresh water? Done, no more territorial conflicts over a brackish river border. Food? Done. take a
CHON matrix and turn it into whatever food you want.
The part they do talk about in Star Trek is that abandoning accumulating wealth allows people to free their time to work for the betterment of mankind.
Yep! I've had people say, if God is so 'good,' why is there so much evil
in the world? I've answered, "if God should get rid of evil, should He
start with you or me?"
Love someone else, other than God?
Love someone else, other than God?
Actually I think the modern interpretation of the Bible is that you are
I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(
average about as many as would be running non-self-check lanes, if they were open. So no jobs lost there, either.
They don't bag your stuff for you, though.
you are probably a horrible aim.
Maybe, but it doesn't matter since I only use triple aught buckshot.
It'll make swiss cheese holier than thou.
you said my name wrong.
No I didn't.
Have a wonderful day!
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am
If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
outweigh the cons...
I think this is lamb mentality.
My experience is that most people who don't want to take good operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.
Re: Checking Out
By: Mortar to Nightfox on Sat May 10 2025 23:46:20
Hate to butt in, but we wouldn't even have this problem if stores weren't
Re: Re: Most memorable modernyou didnt start it but you can just not reply or paste the post and reply in the religion sub.
By: Digital Man to Jcurtis on Tue May 13 2025 11:04 pm
I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(
Right. If the others can move I can follow. Don't hate me I didn't start it.
They don't bag your stuff for you, though.
The grocery here usually doesn't at the "manned" checkouts, either. I would rather bag my own stuff so that the cold stuff all gets bagged together.
you can just not reply
or paste the post and reply in the religion sub.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 02:21 pm
you can just not reply
Right.
or paste the post and reply in the religion sub.
Not sure about my skills but I'll see.
you should be able to cut and paste in most telnet clients.
The grocery here usually doesn't at the "manned" checkouts, either. I would
we have no true undestanding of the technology that world govts have or even really good private professionals. maybe what you think is the height of security can be defeated in minutes. There's no way of knowing, except for past examples of where people thought they were secure, but caught.
now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but still, if you think you're secure on a world wide network of computers, you're fooling yourself.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 03:49 pm
you should be able to cut and paste in most telnet clients.
That's easy for you to say. I'm using Novell DOS LAN Workplace TNVT220 Telnet client with Novell 16-bit TCPIP, circa 1994, with Desqview and QEMM97. Gives me 450k in a DOS Window, and runs Windows 3.1 standard mode in another window.
It's a wonder that it works at all.
please use quoting.My bad, still getting used to using BBS boards.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Wed May 07 2025 08:05 am
Telegram allows you to hide your number, but not hide the fact you are using it. If you use Signal you have to resign yourself to the fact that everyone else who has your number will know you are on it. With Telegram, they'll know your username. I guess its to make things easier, but I wasn't comfortable with
that software making announcements like that automatically.
From the link I posted:
New default: Your phone number will no longer be visible to everyone in Signal. If you use Signal, your phone number will no longer be visible
to everyone you chat with by default.
[...]
If you don't want people to be able to find you by searching for your phone number on Signal, you can now enable a new, optional privacy setting. This means that unless people have your exact unique username, they won't be able to start a conversation, or even know that you have
a Signal account - even if they have your phone number.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on
Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am
If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
outweigh the cons...
I think this is lamb mentality.
My experience is that most people who don't want to take good
operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and
then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.
I am official Captain Paranoia in my workplace and everybody laughts at
my back, except when they pickpocketed one of the accountants and stole
a pendrive loaded with private accounting information. Then nobody laughted at the funny pen drive with an encryption chipset.
There are lots of places in which you can still have safe Internet interations with cool people as long as you don't play it stupid. If
you want to use Facebook using a clearnet connection because you are doomed anyway then that is on you.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman
on Fri May 09 2025 06:49 am
They never really show what it's like to be a civilian in a Star Trek universe. Some books discuss it, but they're not canon. Imagine a world where power no longer requires the exploitation of resources or people -
you could set up a matter/antimatter reactor and power a city without
waste products. How would that change economies when there's no more scarcity? Want a diamond? With enough energy, you could turn charcoal briquets into a necklace. Need to create fresh water? Done, no more territorial conflicts over a brackish river border. Food? Done. take a
CHON matrix and turn it into whatever food you want.
The part they do talk about in Star Trek is that abandoning accumulating wealth allows people to free their time to work for the betterment of mankind.
Something that these shows fail to address when they deal with "post scarcity" economies is that removing scarcity of natural resources and manufactured goods does not actually cause the end of scarcity.
See, in a world in which you can manufacture anything at zero cost, you still need manpower to fight the Klingons. Humans still need time to be "manufactured". Good luck putting your unlimited arsenal to use with a limited number of capable officers and soldiers.
It gets better: I might be filthy rich (because "somebody" produces all the stuff I want at zero cost) except I might be a short, ugly fuck
with no charisma. Since human females are in a limited supply that
means I don't get a girlfriend, no emotional support nor nothing, therefore I end up blowing my brains out with a blaster because I am lonely and the next day they find my corpse laying on a mound of gold
and diamonds and other no-cost stuff. Heck, in a material post-
scarcity scenario loneliness would get really bad because at that point you can't rent a hooker nor possess material wealth to talk about
because everybody is on the same footing.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Arelor to Cougar428 on Wed May 14 2025 08:10 am
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am
If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
outweigh the cons...
I think this is lamb mentality.
My experience is that most people who don't want to take good operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.
i'm a secure guy pretty much but i also realize that anything we do on
the internet is forever. and people in the past that thought they were secure and private have been caught when wrong doing.
we have no true undestanding of the technology that world govts have or even really good private professionals. maybe what you think is the height of security can be defeated in minutes. There's no way of
knowing, except for past examples of where people thought they were secure, but caught.
now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but
still, if you think you're secure on a world wide network of computers,
you're fooling yourself. ---
take a screenshot and use google lense to extract the text. then email it to yourself and cut and paste it into a telnet client on a windows 11 desktop computer or linux.
There are lots of places in which you can still have safe Internet interations with cool people as long as you don't play it stupid. If you want to use Facebook using a clearnet connection because you are doomed anyway then that is on you.
The whole "You can't do anything, so may as well not try" argument, is the line of a loser. Losers say things like this.
now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but still, if you think you're secure on a world wide network of computers,
you're fooling yourself. ---
I previously had to deal with IT securty. What you are missing is where threats
come from. A problem I see all the time, is people assuming that the state is the ONLY threat. That is, if the NSA or what-have-you could potentially at some
point get information, there is no point.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 08:26 pm
take a screenshot and use google lense to extract the text. then email it to yourself and cut and paste it into a telnet client on a windows 11 desktop computer or linux.
Not interested in Smartphone tricks. I'll figure something out. Has to work in 1994 though.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Thu May 15 2025 08:03 am
There are lots of places in which you can still have safe Internet interations with cool people as long as you don't pla
it stupid. If you want to use Facebook using a clearnet connection because you are doomed anyway then that is on you.
The whole "You can't do anything, so may as well not try" argument, is the line of a loser. Losers say things like this.
i dont recall saying anything like that.
I was pretty much saying don't trust yourself to be safe.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 15 2025 08:24 am
now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but still, if you think you're secure on a world wide
network of computers,
you're fooling yourself. ---
I previously had to deal with IT securty. What you are missing is where threats
come from. A problem I see all the time, is people assuming that the state is the ONLY threat. That is, if the NSA or
what-have-you could potentially at some
point get information, there is no point.
i'm just saying the world govts and some private individuals probably have much more advanced methods than you might think.
I'm sure a pirate of some sort could make good money breaking into a bank, hospital, govt agency and get whatever info they can
people and sell it.
it's probably happening all the time.
Star Trek is idealistic, overly idealistic. In reality, we neither have the capacity nor motivation to make it work. In the Star Trek future, humanity is emmiserated, and resigned to stuffing their faces to an early death in an ecologically destroyed, overcrowded hell-scape.
Quoting Arelor to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am
If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
outweigh the cons...
I think this is lamb mentality.
My experience is that most people who don't want to take good
operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and
then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.
I am official Captain Paranoia in my workplace and everybody laughts
at my back, except when they pickpocketed one of the accountants and
stole a pendrive loaded with private accounting information. Then
nobody laughted at the funny pen drive with an encryption chipset.
There are lots of places in which you can still have safe Internet interations with cool people as long as you don't play it stupid. If
you want to use Facebook using a clearnet connection because you are doomed anyway then that is on you.
Quoting Mro to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to MRO on Wed May 14 2025 08:01 am
you are probably a horrible aim.
Maybe, but it doesn't matter since I only use triple aught buckshot.
It'll make swiss cheese holier than thou.
you wont see it coming. all you will see is the bright white light.
you said my name wrong.
No I didn't.
yes you did.
Have a wonderful day!
it might be your last....
Quoting Phigan to Dumas Walker <=-
Re: Checking Out
By: Dumas Walker to PHIGAN on Wed May 14 2025 08:47 am
The grocery here usually doesn't at the "manned" checkouts, either. I would
That'd be motivation for me to shop elsewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siGFs_NhcOk
I'm the guy in the hat.
Quoting Arelor to Poindexter Fortran <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Fri May 09 2025 06:49 am
They never really show what it's like to be a civilian in a Star Trek universe. Some books discuss it, but they're not canon. Imagine a world where power no longer requires the exploitation of resources or people -
you could set up a matter/antimatter reactor and power a city without
waste products. How would that change economies when there's no more scarcity? Want a diamond? With enough energy, you could turn charcoal briquets into a necklace. Need to create fresh water? Done, no more territorial conflicts over a brackish river border. Food? Done. take a
CHON matrix and turn it into whatever food you want.
The part they do talk about in Star Trek is that abandoning accumulating wealth allows people to free their time to work for the betterment of mankind.
Something that these shows fail to address when they deal with "post scarcity" economies is that removing scarcity of natural resources and manufactured goods does not actually cause the end of scarcity.
See, in a world in which you can manufacture anything at zero cost,
you still need manpower to fight the Klingons. Humans still need time
to be "manufactured". Good luck putting your unlimited arsenal to use
with a limited number of capable officers and soldiers.
It gets better: I might be filthy rich (because "somebody" produces
all the stuff I want at zero cost) except I might be a short, ugly
fuck with no charisma. Since human females are in a limited supply
that means I don't get a girlfriend, no emotional support nor nothing, therefore I end up blowing my brains out with a blaster because I am lonely and the next day they find my corpse laying on a mound of gold
and diamonds and other no-cost stuff. Heck, in a material post-
scarcity scenario loneliness would get really bad because at that
point you can't rent a hooker nor possess material wealth to talk
about because everybody is on the same footing.
Quoting Mro to Arelor <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Arelor to Cougar428 on Wed May 14 2025 08:10 am
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am
If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
outweigh the cons...
I think this is lamb mentality.
My experience is that most people who don't want to take good operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.
i'm a secure guy pretty much but i also realize that anything we do on
the internet is forever. and people in the past that thought they
were secure and private have been caught when wrong doing.
we have no true undestanding of the technology that world govts have
or even really good private professionals. maybe what you think is
the height of security can be defeated in minutes. There's no way of knowing, except for past examples of where people thought they were secure, but caught.
now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but
still, if you think you're secure on a world wide network of
computers, you're fooling yourself. -!-
Quoting Arelor to Mro <=-
By the way, perfect informational security is mathematically possible
and you can actually deliver a message you encrypt using pen and
pencil through a compromised computer, and it will be uncrackeable by
any machine no matter how arbitrarily advanced it is. This is
certainly not used for public Internet activity but it has been known
to be used in the wild when it mattered, so there is that.
Quoting Mro to Jcurtis <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jcurtis to MRO on Wed May 14 2025 08:49 pm
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 08:26 pm
take a screenshot and use google lense to extract the text. then email it to yourself and cut and paste it into a telnet client on a windows 11 desktop computer or linux.
Not interested in Smartphone tricks. I'll figure something out. Has to work in 1994 though.
okay take a piece of transparent paper and and a crayon and draw over
the entire paragraph of text to make a copy. next take the paper next
to the computer and type out the past text. next roll the piece of
paper up into a cylindar and turn it sideways. insert into your
asshole. -!-
I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(
yeah i've mentioned that they should use the religious sub a few times. normally i move a post and reply there but that never does any good to move stuff.
That's easy for you to say. I'm using Novell DOS LAN Workplace TNVT220 Telnet client with Novell 16-bit TCPIP, circa 1994, with Desqview and QEMM97. Gives m
450k in a DOS Window, and runs Windows 3.1 standard mode in another window.
take a screenshot and use google lense to extract the text. then email it to yourself and cut and paste it into a telnet client on a windows 11 desktop computer or linux.
Not interested in Smartphone tricks. I'll figure something out. Has to work in
1994 though.
You guys take yourselves to seriously. JFC, it's only entertainment!
Apparently you never relax and watch the show to get away from reality.
Instead you have to ask why doesn't the ugly guy get the girl.
Are you a 'rocket scientist'?
Outside of an alien invasion, I agree that we're not going to see unity.
At the high school, they have students that 'work' as teacher
aides as part of their day. Some of them help out the tech lead
in that building (I work district wide), we we are doing a
form of this.
I sincerely hope no one has read any of my posts and thought I
was trying to harass people. I see MANY many messages on BBS's and
just pass right on by. No one is forcing me to read or respond to
anything, and I don't think anyone else is forced to read or respond
to mine.
That being said, I thought we were all having a polite discourse.
We call it curbside here, but I assume it's the same thing. I did
that some at Wal-Mart, but only a few times. Once they started
delivery to our house, we started doing that. :-)
jimmylogan wrote to Cougar428 <=-
One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
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Quoting Boraxman to Phigan <=-
Again, even the *ideal* future of one humanity, actually sounds awful.
The dystopia we'll actually get is 100x worse. It's just "Ein Volk,
Ein Rasse, Ein Fuhrer" writ large.
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel
bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator
died
85 years ago.
One people, one race, one leader. I agree it wasn't a good thing. In
the US, if you really want to demean someone, you call them a Nazi. It
appears to happen over and over.
I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear
this.
Have a great day!
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to phigan on
Mon May 19 2025 08:10 am
economic ones first. You can grow
bananas better than me and I can grow
peppers better than you. There's no
reason we can't work together from
afar.
I think this is the vision, and the purpose is to destroy what makes us huma and unique, and create a humanity which is just nothing more than a herd
Wat? It's the exact opposite. If you can grow the best bananas, you are unique, and we all benefit from your unique quality by letting you grow all the bananas.
Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to you.
The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as much as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.
MRO wrote to jimmylogan <=-
Re: Re: Checking Out
By: jimmylogan to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 19 2025 02:52 pm
At the high school, they have students that 'work' as teacher
aides as part of their day. Some of them help out the tech lead
in that building (I work district wide), we we are doing a
form of this.
sounds like a great way to rip off tax payers. not only do they get
paid for every student, they are now getting an employee they dont need
to pay. ---
MRO wrote to jimmylogan <=-
Re: Re: Checking Out
By: jimmylogan to Dumas Walker on Mon May 19 2025 02:52 pm
We call it curbside here, but I assume it's the same thing. I did
that some at Wal-Mart, but only a few times. Once they started
delivery to our house, we started doing that. :-)
over by me walmart does free shipping if you buy 35 bucks or over.
so i go with that. last time though, my water was damaged. i was going
to give the guy a big tip for delivering 4 waters but he bolted out of there. then i noticed they were smashed up and leaking. dude was
rushing so fast. i was going to bring my dolly to the car and tip him good. ---
Boraxman wrote to Cougar428 <=-
If you listen carefully to the rhetoric of those stridently "Against racism" you'll see the same kind of language, same kind of ideas.
I hear constant utterly horrific things from so
called "tolerant" types. But because they think they are fighting the right, they don't see how terrible their views are.
Boraxman wrote to MRO <=-
social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.
in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.
Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.
A think there should be laws to prevent you for getting fired for
things like that. It seems a MAJOR loophole in the protection of free speech, is the ability for employers to disemploy someone for their speech.
Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to
you.
The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as much
as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.
Cougar428 wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-
I'll let you have the last word. If it's my last, then so be it.
zygote
Zyzzyva!
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to phigan on Tue May 20 2025 06:56 am
We always wondered during the show "24", in which events were supposed to happen in realtime - no one had to charge a cell phone or go to the bathroom...
Funny how the leave out stuff like that from TV shows & movies
sometimes..
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
Raising a 15 year old daughter and 21 year old son, I've seen those behaviors. Once with my son, we went to the car wash and both forgot
our phones. I just beamed, thinking I had 10 minutes where I could
just sit without distractions. My son was beside himself.
I see parents buying phones for 7 year olds. I guess that's where it
starts. Once they see that they can get instant gratification and
don't have to actually 'connect' with anyone - they're off.
They're convenient distractions, especially if you have a high-energy
kid. My wife was great at finding small kids activities for dinners
out and cars - lots of activity books the size of a paperback book with coloring pages and games. In retrospect, those are great activities
for a kid to engage with.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
Cougar428 wrote to ARELOR <=-
Apologies, I'm not well educated on 'post scarcity economy'. Sadly
this
is the first time I've heard the term. So you kind of lost me here. I
think I may have been watching Star Trek when this was discussed and
missed the idea altogether.
Another book recommendation is "The Midas Plague" by Frederik Pohl -
about a society where cold fusion makes energy cheap, and when energy
is cheap, the costs of production plummet and there's an
overabundance of abundance. The book discusses how society changes in several stories in ways you wouldn't think.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel
bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator
died 85 years ago.
Genocidal dictators have existed as long as people have gathered in societies, Hitler was the first one to use modern weapons and
techniques to do so.
I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear
this.
They appear to have no tolerance for Naziism. Try hanging a swastika
flag in Germany and see how long before the polizei comes a-knockin'..
Quoting Boraxman to Mro <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon May 19 2025 04:08 pm
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 09:30 pm
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has it positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.
in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.
Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.
A think there should be laws to prevent you for getting fired for
things like that. It seems a MAJOR loophole in the protection of free speech, is the ability for employers to disemploy someone for their speech.
Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to
you.
The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as
much as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.
Well we do appreciate personal liberty. The thing is, they are trying to ca us up with the rest of the world where your rights don't matter.
Luckily the patriot act was not renewed but they are always trying to chip a at taking away our rights.
I'm not sure how i feel about free speech in the workplace. if i was out in the public and heading some kkk rally does my company have a right to get ri of me if they don't support my views or they think i don't support theirs?
I wouldn't blame them for getting rid of a person like that but also there seems to be a bunch of witch hunts that people enjoy.
We like to cancel people.
in my old town there was a witch hunt thing over google reviews and a bar. people ended up making up stories that the owner sexually assaulted people. people got together online and made up stories and even went to the court ab it when he was having a license review. I was even contacted online to make a story and show up.
Some nuts were even saying the owner was going to poison them when he had an event where he did free booze. That's just horrible and ugly.
i think the human race is basically at war with itself. our monkey brains a human brains can't figure shit out.
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the devil figure for the world.
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
Didn't even know you were knocked up. Congrats. Girl, boy, or indeterminate?
Oh, my god - really? Elves and dwarves are different SPECIES!
I'm imagining a key and peele episode where the different species in D&D
are racial stereotypes...
(aside: I loved playing elves in D&D. Stealthy as all hell, and roll
high enough on dexterity and they'd get 3 attacks every 2 turns...)
I'm not sure how i feel about free speech in the workplace. if i was out in the public and heading some kkk rally does my company have a right to get rid of me if they don't support my views or they think i don't support theirs?
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
devil figure for the world.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Didn't even know you were knocked up. Congrats. Girl, boy, or indeterminate?
Maybe he would prefer to let it choose when it is old enough. ;)
Well that escalated quickly... :-)
Don't mind him. He's probably downright angry (I sure would be) with the school referendum that got passed in his neck of the woods, recently. ;)
Regards,
Nick
The problem is that if private
companies can 'punish' you, then you
lose your freedom. You do NOT have
freedom of speech, if your employer
take retribution and fire you for wh
you say outside of work. The KKK
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Cougar428 wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
Why does every evil thing seem to evolve from Adolph Hitler? I feel
bad
for the German people. Think of how it appears to them. Every other
country keeps comparing them to the devil. They have to keep hearing
the same thing from other nationalities, even though that dictator
died 85 years ago.
Genocidal dictators have existed as long as people have gathered in societies, Hitler was the first one to use modern weapons and
techniques to do so.
I just have to wonder what the German people think when they hear
this.
They appear to have no tolerance for Naziism. Try hanging a swastika
flag in Germany and see how long before the polizei comes a-knockin'..
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
devil figure for the world.
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Quoting Boraxman to Mro <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon May 19 2025 04:08 pm
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 09:30 pm
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has it positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.
in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.
Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.
A think there should be laws to prevent you for getting fired for
things like that. It seems a MAJOR loophole in the protection of free speech, is the ability for employers to disemploy someone for their speech.
Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to
you.
The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as
much as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.
Educate me. Who are the few?
Your kids sound great! I'm sure all kids have their moments (I know I
had mine), but it sounds like you raised'em right...
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed May 21 2025 10:55 pm
Rights can only really exist by limiting other people. The first amendment, if you actually read it, does not grant anyone a right.
i can't READ!
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/
"First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
The problem is that if private companies can 'punish' you, then you lose your freedom. You do NOT have freedom of speech, if your employer can take retribution and fire you for what you say outside of work.
we have freedom of speech from our govt. i wont be arrested for
wearing my kkk robes. it depends on the state, but some are at will
which means the employer can toss you for any reason as long as it's
not a protected reason like age/sex/religion,etc.
The KKK example
is stupid, as this is not typical of what gets people fired. Should you be
how dare you call my example stupid. how dare you.
I believe that private companies should not have the right to fire, and that America's weakness is it prioritises the right of Capital over Free Speech.
that's your belief and in my country you have a right to that belief.
you can even lobby to have a law created. i think private companies should be able to fire people for whatever as long as it's not a
protected class of person.
business. Again, a weakness in Capitalism, in that it allows political infiltration by supporting companies having "views".
every type of establishment has infiltrators. the KKK did.
greenpeace, the masons, anything big. they get in there and redirect
the focus. ---
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed
May 21 2025 10:55 pm
The problem is that if private
companies can 'punish' you, then you
lose your freedom. You do NOT have
freedom of speech, if your employer
take retribution and fire you for wh
you say outside of work. The KKK
Freedom of speech is about someone
being arrested or somehow legally
impacted by their speech. Meaning, the
government shouldn't be able to stop
you from saying things.
Now, it's your choice to say things
that other people may not like. And
it's your employer's choice to employ
you. Your employer is other people and
if they don't like what you say, they
should also have the right to have
nothing to do with you. Being employed
is not a right. What if you were the
employer? Do you want someone telling
you who you can't fire? Seems silly.
Cougar428 wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Thanks for the suggestion! I found the story in a Galaxy Science
Fiction pulp magazine from April of 1954. It's apparently a novella so
I'm going to give it a read.
Cougar428 wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
devil figure for the world.
i have amazon prime and order 3+ things a week. i love amazon.
that's your belief and in my country you have a right to that belief. you can even lobby to have a law created. i think private companies should be able to fire people for whatever as long as it's not a protected class of person.
Freedom of speech is about someone
being arrested or somehow legally
impacted by their speech. Meaning, the
government shouldn't be able to stop
you from saying things.
Now, it's your choice to say things
that other people may not like. And
it's your employer's choice to employ
you. Your employer is other people and
if they don't like what you say, they
should also have the right to have
nothing to do with you. Being employed
is not a right. What if you were the
employer? Do you want someone telling
you who you can't fire? Seems silly.
Read the Second Amendment. Again, it says that a right cannot be
infringed. It prohibits an action.
They understood that in order for "rights" to exist, you must prevent
people from infringing them. Only this can make a "right" real.
Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did
Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did
NOT prevent the state from infringing on that right. So the US had
freedom of speech, and the Soviet Union didn't.
Free Speech was understood to be important before the First Amendment
was drafted. Its philosophical roots came from a realisation that
society needs Free Speech, because the right to Free Speech allows pathological ideas to be challenged. This is the misunderstanding I
think. It has been turned into "individual rights", but the purpose
wasn't keeping the government out of your life. Free Speech has a
*social* utility, which they understood because they saw the ill
effects of religious and monarchical power structures that shielded themselves from challenge.
If you have already accepted that there are exceptions being able to
freely fire people, why are you reluctant to include an individuals
beliefs and statements as protected?? You've already accepted that
right is not absolute, which I agree with.
By prohibiting people being fired for their speech you neuter to some
degree this effect. This is precisely why you need laws to protect
people from being fired for their speech! If an organisation DOES
By the way, if I were employing somebody for a position I would make sure he does not belong to a protected collective because I would not want anybody to play with legal advantages against me if we ever had a disagreement.
In the same way, an employer has the fundamental right of not employing peop he disagrees with in things that are absolutely not related to the job. And, just the same way, that does not mean I have to believe it is a wise way of managing a firm.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: phigan to Boraxman on
Wed May 21 2025 06:58 pm
Freedom of speech is about someone
being arrested or somehow legally
impacted by their speech. Meaning, the
government shouldn't be able to stop
you from saying things.
Now, it's your choice to say things
that other people may not like. And
it's your employer's choice to employ
you. Your employer is other people and
if they don't like what you say, they
should also have the right to have
nothing to do with you. Being employed
is not a right. What if you were the
employer? Do you want someone telling
you who you can't fire? Seems silly.
Fundamentally, there is a big difference between recognizing somebody
has a right and aproving of the way the right is used.
I may have the fundamental right of hitting my knee with a
sledgehammer, that does not mean you have to accept it is a wise course
of action.
In the same way, an employer has the fundamental right of not employing people he disagrees with in things that are absolutely not related to
the job. And, just the same way, that does not mean I have to believe
it is a wise way of managing a firm.
For all the calls we get to diversify the workforce and people is
pushing for the notion that we have to eject anybody who does not
follow the uniparty out of the workforce. Good job, diversifiers.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 22 2025 10:01 pm
Read the Second Amendment. Again, it says that a right cannot be
infringed. It prohibits an action.
They understood that in order for "rights" to exist, you must prevent
people from infringing them. Only this can make a "right" real.
Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did
now i have to read the second one?!!?
i told you i can't read.
i think you are looking at this through a weird lens; we have laws,
tons and tons of laws. laws on top of laws. overlapping laws. old
laws. those complex laws state what our rights are and how it's to be handled.
we then have judges to interpret the laws when things go caca.
Declaration of rights alone are meaningless. The Soviet Union is a
good example of this. They too declared that people had Freedom of
Speech, even more enthusiastically than the US Constituion, but it did
NOT prevent the state from infringing on that right. So the US had
freedom of speech, and the Soviet Union didn't.
our entire legal system is not the declaration of independance
Free Speech was understood to be important before the First Amendment
was drafted. Its philosophical roots came from a realisation that
society needs Free Speech, because the right to Free Speech allows pathological ideas to be challenged. This is the misunderstanding I
think. It has been turned into "individual rights", but the purpose
wasn't keeping the government out of your life. Free Speech has a
*social* utility, which they understood because they saw the ill
effects of religious and monarchical power structures that shielded themselves from challenge.
you are interpreting our free speech laws incorrectly. you are free to
say what you want. it wont protect you from getting canned from your
job if they decide you are not a fit to what they represent. You are
only protected if you are part of a protected category of person and
your rights have been violated based on your race, origin, age, sex, disability.
If you have already accepted that there are exceptions being able to
freely fire people, why are you reluctant to include an individuals
beliefs and statements as protected?? You've already accepted that
right is not absolute, which I agree with.
it's (being fired from the workplace because of speech) not an
exemption because there is no actual violation of our laws. that's just how it is. it's only a violation based on what it is and if it
violates a protected class of person.
By prohibiting people being fired for their speech you neuter to
some degree this effect. This is precisely why you need laws to
protect people from being fired for their speech! If an
organisation DOES
so far it hasn't been an issue except people were canceled for dumb
shit during those witch hunts.
if it is an issue it can become a bill and be put through our system.
I hasd as high school friend who enlisted and spent his tours in the
Fulda gap, waiting for Soviet tanks to come through.
Despite that, he had a good time in Germany.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: jimmylogan to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 03:30 pm
As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are
different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are
STILL a lot of people that miss that point...
This is the party line I see in so many ruined and dead RPG forums. It usually comes from people who wants everybody to be equal even if that means they need to make everybody equally misserable. I don't buy it.
It is much more practical (and realistic) to embrace the fact humanity
is composed of people with different biomorphic dispositions and accept people belongs to different groups with different strengths and weaknesses.
The fun part is that diversity loving people can't accept humanity
itself is diverse.
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Re: Re: Checking Out
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Tue May 20 2025 08:38 pm
sounds like a great way to rip off tax payers. not only do they get paid for every student, they are now getting an employee they dont need to pay. ---
Well that escalated quickly... :-)
They aren't an employee. They get 'service hours' and high school credit
for it. It's better than just being put into a 'study hall' in the library. Better on the students I mean.
And they do the same thing I do - they will do Tier One troubleshooting mostly. Some of them know how to powerwash, so that is a step that can
be done before it gets to me.
if they are working they are an employee.
it's just a scam.
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Re: Re: Checking Out
By: MRO to jimmylogan on Wed May 21 2025 06:45 pm
i have amazon prime and order 3+ things a week. i love amazon.
I've never needed or wanted enough stuff to order that much, but I also have Amazon Prime and I like that I can order all kinds of things from there and many things have the quick shipping.
if they are working they are an employee.
it's just a scam.
Have you called your local school and complained?
On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon May 19 2025 04:08 pm
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Foriest Jan Smith to Cougar428 on Mon May 19 2025 09:30 pm
I've definitely been met with hostility when I tell a coworker I think social media has been a negative factor on the human race, lol. It has it positives but generally I think it's just been used to do more harm than good...
social media has ruined people's relationships and lost them jobs.
in my town there's a guy who was a teacher's aid of some sort but he was in military and overseas. his room mate posted lol at an instagram post about gay person being fired using this guy's account. was it on purpose or accidential? the person that saw it and posted on fb said it was only there for 10 mins at 3am in the morning before it was deleted.
Anyways, dude gets fired from his job and entire town on fb is talking shit about the poor guy. and he's just serving for his country.
A think there should be laws to prevent you for getting fired for
things like that. It seems a MAJOR loophole in the protection of free speech, is the ability for employers to disemploy someone for their speech.
Functionally, you do NOT have any free speech, if this can happen to
you.
The problem is, America doesn't actually value personal liberty as
much as it claims to. It would rather give that liberty to the few.
Educate me. Who are the few?
Capitalists. Employers.
Quite often, if there is a conflict of rights, they will favour the minority (the employers).
One person may be in control of 1000 jobs, and Americans will default
to that one persons "right" of association to be of higher value than
the 1000 peoples right to Freedom of Speech.
Quoting Bf2k+ to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 21 2025 06:24 am
Your kids sound great! I'm sure all kids have their moments (I know I
had mine), but it sounds like you raised'em right...
Sorry to interject into the thread but...
My 38-yr old son got a new job this month and during this whole
process, he took time to come over to my house and thank me for
"raising him right."
Made my millenium...
(His mother left me with the 2 kids when he was 2 and his sister was
5. I raised them by myself... it wasn't easy but paid off as they are
both great kids.)
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
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Thanks for the suggestion! I found the story in a Galaxy Science
Fiction pulp magazine from April of 1954. It's apparently a novella so
I'm going to give it a read.
I think the book I read was compiled from 4 novellas Pohl wrote in
Galaxy. Look around, you might find more...
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
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Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
devil figure for the world.
I hasd as high school friend who enlisted and spent his tours in the
Fulda gap, waiting for Soviet tanks to come through.
Despite that, he had a good time in Germany.
Quoting Bogomips to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 21 2025 06:24 am
Yeah - I was stationed there for 7 years in the Army, 2 tours. Germany
was a great place in the 80's. I'm sure it's still a great place. Just
have to wonder what they think about people still using Hitler as the
devil figure for the world.
I was also stationed in West Germany in the early 80's. I remember
asking and elderly woman about Hitler. She was not to pleased about
the subject. I don't think my question made her day.
By the way, if I were employing somebody for a position I would make sure he does not belong to a protected collective because I would not want anybody to play with legal advantages against me if we ever had a disagreement.
discrimination!!!!
1st tour was stationed by the Chek border attached to 3/2nd Armored
Cavalry who patrolled the border zone. 2nd tour was in Wiesbaden, in a
didn't even think about Hitler while I was there. Too busy visiting all
the small towns in the area and checking all the bakeries bratwurst
stands and breweries!
Have a great day!
Bogomips wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I was 19 years old and having the time of my life.
Where I am, even some Wal-Mart locations eliminated self-checkout after adding them several years ago.
NIGHTFOX wrote to <=-
I've never needed or wanted enough stuff to order that much, but I also have Amazon Prime and I like that I can order all kinds of things from there and many things have the quick shipping.
FORIEST JAN SMITH wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-
On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.
Kind of why China kind of freaked out when US users got access to that Chinese social media app, lol
I was 19 years old and having the time of my life.
American beer must have been a letdown when you came back home. :)
Quoting Bogomips to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri May 23 2025 10:20 pm
1st tour was stationed by the Chek border attached to 3/2nd Armored
Cavalry who patrolled the border zone. 2nd tour was in Wiesbaden, in a
My first duty station was in Wiesbaden. 81-82
Quoting Bogomips to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BOGOMIPS on Fri May 23 2025 10:20 pm
didn't even think about Hitler while I was there. Too busy visiting all
the small towns in the area and checking all the bakeries bratwurst
stands and breweries!
Have a great day!
We used to just get on a train and not even know the town we got off
at. Rooms at the Gasthaus were around 8 dollars and came with
breakfast. Good times. Then part of my duty was driving all over
Germany checking survey markers, staying at Gasthauses and playing kegelban.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Bogomips <=-
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I was 19 years old and having the time of my life.
American beer must have been a letdown when you came back home. :)
People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but it is not.
Matthew Munson wrote to FORIEST JAN SMITH <=-
People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
it is not.
On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.
Kind of why China kind of freaked out when US users got access to that Chinese >social media app, lol
People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
it is not.
Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I do an American company! :)
All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.
Quoting Ogg to Poindexter Fortran <=-
Hello pF!
** On Monday 26.05.25 - 10:17, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Matthew
Munson:
People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
it is not.
Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I do an American company! :)
All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.
area to explore. I took my Citroen GSA up the river and crossed on a
ferry to visit a castle (of which I can't remember the name).
Good times in Europe.
Have a great day!
getting lunch and dinner at different Gasthauses. The hallenbad's were
great also. I feel like I should stop over at your place and we could
get lunch somewhere to talk about old times!
I wish you a great day.
They are both good, but I enjoyed German beer more. Now I don't drink
much. Might have a beer once in a 'Blue Moon' if you'll pardon the pun.
MRO wrote to jimmylogan <=-
Re: Re: Checking Out
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Fri May 23 2025 11:33 am
if they are working they are an employee.
it's just a scam.
Have you called your local school and complained?
complain about what
I can't see any justifiable reason for this "I can fire someone
because they have views I don't like" argument, except a very childish
and immature inability to deal with other people. That is YOUR
problem. It is not the employees problem, and it is certaintly not something the state should accomodate.
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Re: Re: Checking Out
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Fri May 23 2025 11:33 am
if they are working they are an employee.
it's just a scam.
Have you called your local school and complained?
complain about what
What you are calling a scam.
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Quoting Ogg to Poindexter Fortran <=-
Hello pF!
** On Monday 26.05.25 - 10:17, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Matthew
Munson:
People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
it is not.
Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I do an American company! :)
All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.
Thats one of the best reasons NOT to use them. Any of them.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat
May 24 2025 12:08 am
I can't see any justifiable reason for this "I can fire someone
because they have views I don't like" argument, except a very childish
and immature inability to deal with other people. That is YOUR
problem. It is not the employees problem, and it is certaintly not something the state should accomodate.
Well, it boils down to acknowledging that having the State telling you which reasons are justifiable for contract termination is dangerous, because when the list becomes too complex to understand, employers
cease employing people altogether. aka. welcome to Spain. Also, as
things stand, that sort of thing tends to become weaponized
politically.
Honestly, the reasonable way to solve it as an employees is just not applying to positions at firms that seem likely to pull such a dick
move to begin with. The firms that do usually advertise themselves as virtue signaling scumbags openly so they are easy enough to avoid. When
I was doing research for magazine publishers I could skip about half
the available ones just because they seemed like the sort of people who would resort to ideological assassination. Frankly, if you are working
in such firm and they decide they want to kick you out, the worst thing that can happen is the State prevents them from firing you, because you end up working in a position nobody wants to keep you in.
And this is why the left wing extremists win.
Because the other sides solution is to "avoid" and "move on". Eventually you
run out of places to run to. You may as well just hand them Western
civilisation to tear apart...
When you constantly retreat, you LOSE. You are
advocating for our own emisseration.
I think you have it backwards. It is the employer in the wrong. They are
suddenly terminating a contract for reasons that have *nothing* to do with the contractual requirements. The employee certaintly has grounds to argue that the termination was unjust! All the state is doing, is ensuring that the termination of the contract is just, as would be the case in any other contractual dispute. To argue that the state shouldn'be be involved is absurd, as all contracts are valid because the state considers them valid. Thats why you can't be my slave, because such a contract is not valid.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Wed May 28 2025 09:19 am
The fun part is I am an advocate of the stand-and-fight stance.
Refusing to work for open virtual signalers is a stand-and-fight
strategy. Trying to force your way into a company where nobody wants
you is just silly. I much prefer to find a non-nonsense workplace I
like to work in and make that company successful - which is actually working well for me - while woke companies deprive themselves of good employees.
Meanwhile woke companies might seem strong but they are running out of steam faster than you'd expect. This is very patent in the videogame industry because new generations of gamers are rejecting active indoctrination whereas politized companies won't change gears. This is leading to big budget projects worth hundreds of millions being
declared flopped less than a month after release. The end result is
that woke companies such as Ubisoft are getting quietly split into packages and sold quietly so nobody notices because then everybody
would know they are official failures.
The only thing keeping half woke enterprises alive at this point is funding from the administration. If that were cut the whole sillyness would be over. Hell, one of the effects of the famous DODGE cuts was
the termination of some South American woke journalism "agencies"
because they could not pay employees without administrative funding. We are talking about agencies getting bankrupt in 48h.
I think you have it backwards. It is the employer in the wrong. They are
suddenly terminating a contract for reasons that have *nothing* to do with the contractual requirements. The employee certaintly has grounds to argue that the termination was unjust! All the state is doing, is ensuring that the termination of the contract is just, as would be the case in any other contractual dispute. To argue that the state shouldn'be be involved is absurd, as all contracts are valid because the state considers them valid. Thats why you can't be my slave, because such a contract is not valid.
Well, on principle, if one part of the contract has the right to
terminate it unilaterally then it makes sense the other part also can.
If I can quit the company with no need to justify myself then it makes sense the company needs no t justify itself for contract termination.
The exception would be when - as happens with big business to business contracts - one of the parts takes a big upfront expense in order to initiate the contract, in which case the other part of the deal is required to cover the loses of the first contractor if they decide to
back off.
And yeah there are lots of labor law but when I see the end results I
am not thrilled by it. For starters, when firing people is hard then
you don't hire people, specially if most candidates for job positions
are likely to flop on you. Again, welcome to Spain. No wonder half the economy in Spain is estimated to be underground. --
What happens when they take over the company you are working at? Your
company was not realy woke, then becomes very woke? That is then
infringing upon me. In this case, I think its justified to stand your
ground. Also, a lot of people don't go for this, so its not just me
alone. You can be sure that many, many employees would side with you,
at least in private. They are too worried about HR repurcussions to
speak up.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Thu May 29 2025 08:19 am
What happens when they take over the company you are working at? Your
company was not realy woke, then becomes very woke? That is then
infringing upon me. In this case, I think its justified to stand your
ground. Also, a lot of people don't go for this, so its not just me
alone. You can be sure that many, many employees would side with you,
at least in private. They are too worried about HR repurcussions to
speak up.
It... depends...
Quite frankly, this is the equivalent of having your company purchased
by a new owner that has no idea of how the business is run. You are certain they are going to crash the whole train. What people does in
these cases is to leave en masse. Quite often whole teams leave at once and build a competing alternative, at least that is my experience.
My experience is also that you can't fix management because management only hears what they want to hear. If management goes funky you have no hope of making it right because they are more powerful than you within
the company structure. Wise people only fights battles they can win.
And frankly, that seems to be working quite well because when you work
at "ground" level you don't see much ideological crap in economic activities. When I go do my shopping or whatever it is rare to find
woke in the real world. Yeah, some banks or supermarkets do a bunch of virtue signaling but those are easy enough to ostrazise.
Seriously, if there is reason to be concerned, is the amount of institutional advertisement we get. Europe is starting to look like
North Korea with so many ideological advertisements paid with contributor's money on TV and on the streets.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on
Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am
Maybe I'll check out Matrix.
Personally, I think Matrix is best for just direct friends / family chats. Like a replacement for phone calls and SMSes. It's ok for small chat groups. Some people use it for larger chat gatherings like
Discord, but I'm not a fan of Discord either, so maybe that gives me bias ;).
Reddit Terminal Viewer is a new one on me, so I will have to look that up. Usually, though, I try not to sign in to Reddit in order to not be tempted to reply to a lot of the stupid that is on there. Plus, web forums are what killed BBSes, so I shake my fist at them (although Reddit is probably the best one).
Usenet plus BBSes ... while there are certain users that you'll notice and hear from more than others, there is still a pretty good variety of people around and participating here and there. I say this frequenting BBSes of all the platforms (Amiga, Apple, Atari, Commodore, Macintosh, and PC).
Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install
it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to
use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one
client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I
can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly)
used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think
Yahoo! Chat account.
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I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
Left politics, the have to GO.
Boraxman wrote to Arelor <=-
I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
Left politics, the have to GO.
Just use Bitlbee (libpurple build) with any IRC client.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-
I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
Left politics, the have to GO.
Who's to say what's far left? It's too easy to lump whatever you want
into "Woke" or "Far Left" and not debate the merits.
Having some form of socialized health care so people don't go bankrupt paying medical bills? Being able to provide care for people before they need to go to an emergency room because they don't have a means of obtaining health care otherwise?
Providing school lunches so kids who otherwise wouldn't get a
meal can go through school with something in their stomach and learn
more effectively?
There are countless other social programs that have societal impacts - lower emergency care costs, higher school test scores and smarter kids. Both of which benefit society as a whole.
I've been called far left on the Fido Politics board.
It makes me wonder if it is the same printer making company that had 10 open possitions, organized an exam, picked the 7 best and then 3 random DEI
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
And as thing stands, I personally find that placing the cut on
political programs that criminalize being a semi-wealthy white heterosexual is quite a reasonable mark.
And as thing stands, I personally find that placing the cut on political programs that criminalize being a semi-wealthy white heterosexual is quite a reasonable mark.
And what political program would that be?
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Well, for starters, any political program that talks about
"reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.
There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Wed Jun 04 2025 05:13 pm
And as thing stands, I personally find that placing the cut on political programs that criminalize being a semi-wealthy white heterosexual is quite a reasonable mark.
And what political program would that be?
Well, for starters, any political program that talks about "reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white
That's a very reductive argument. There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied. The
people who've lived under those conditions are the poorest, most
incarcerated, least represented citizens.
Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
famous and successful African-Americans.
I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
problem persists.
There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied
IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
reach majority.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Arelor <=-
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Well, for starters, any political program that talks about
"reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.
That's a very reductive argument. There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied. The
people who've lived under those conditions are the poorest, most
incarcerated, least represented citizens.
Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
famous and successful African-Americans.
I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
problem persists.
Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
famous and successful African-Americans.
There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied
IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
reach majority.
There's been 250 years of systemic
prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied
IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
reach majority.
That doesn't sound like something Jesus would say.
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