resigning in 2024 (his plan to turn Intel around was apparently not working well enough).
At any rate, I've heard a lot of news about Intel recently that makes it sound like they're just not doing very well. For a while now, I've had a feeling they've had bad management, and sometimes it seems like Intel
Nightfox wrote to All <=-
Over the past several years, I keep hearing about how Intel is
struggling in the market now. Since 2020 or so, it seems AMD has had a steady advantage with their processors over Intel.
before becoming CEO. They had an interim CEO (Bob Swan) for a little while (who was in accounting) who eventually decided to become
permanent CEO, but he didn't last long.
As Intel has been a behemoth in the computer industry for so long, it feels a bit surreal to me to see them seemingly fading away,
particularly since I worked there for about 8 years..
Note: I've never had an AMD chip, ever. I'm sure there are others that way. I've just recently started buying high-end laptops with Ryzen CPUs, I suppose I should try. There are some amazing older chips out there with lots of cores that I keep hearing about for homelabs...
before becoming CEO. They had an interim CEO (Bob Swan) for a little
while (who was in accounting) who eventually decided to become permanent
CEO, but he didn't last long.
I worked with Bob at eBay, he was an incredibly smart man and personable. Not sure why he wouldn't have stayed longer, but sounds like they wanted someone with more industry experience. I think he was also getting ready to semi-retire.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
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Re: Re: Intel: Once mighty, now falling?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox
on Wed May 07 2025 07:41 am
Note: I've never had an AMD chip, ever. I'm sure there are others that way. I've just recently started buying high-end laptops with Ryzen CPUs, I suppose I should try. There are some amazing older chips out there with lots of cores that I keep hearing about for homelabs...
I used AMD CPUs exclusively from about 1994 to 2011. AMD CPUs always performed well enough for me, and I always thought they were pretty
good for the money. 2011 is when I started working at Intel, and they
had an employee discount where you could buy Intel CPUs for up to about 50% of their retail price.
My main desktop PC at home is one I built in 2019, just before I left Intel. At the time, Intel was struggling, and the CPU I wanted was out
of stock in Intel's employee discount program. After waiting about 6 months, I decided to just buy one from Amazon at the reatil price.
before becoming CEO. They had an interim CEO (Bob Swan) for a little
while (who was in accounting) who eventually decided to become permanent
CEO, but he didn't last long.
I worked with Bob at eBay, he was an incredibly smart man and personable. Not sure why he wouldn't have stayed longer, but sounds like they wanted someone with more industry experience. I think he was also getting ready to semi-retire.
When I was at Intel, I often watched the business update meetings presented by the CEO. When Rob Swan was the interim CEO, initially he said it wasn't his intention to be CEO permanently (maybe he just liked being an accountant); then he accepted the CEO position. I'm not sure
what changed his mind.
Quoting Boraxman to Nightfox <=-
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Note: I've never had an AMD chip, ever. I'm sure there are others that way. I've just recently started buying high-end laptops with Ryzen CPUs, I suppose I should try. There are some amazing older chips out there with lots of cores that I keep hearing about for homelabs...
I used AMD CPUs exclusively from about 1994 to 2011. AMD CPUs always performed well enough for me, and I always thought they were pretty
good for the money. 2011 is when I started working at Intel, and they
had an employee discount where you could buy Intel CPUs for up to about 50% of their retail price.
AMD user here as well. Been using AMD since start of 1997 and any computer I've built since then has been AMD. I do have intel chips,
from laptops and from "vintage computers" I've bought.
Boraxman wrote to Cougar428 <=-
I was always under the impression that AMD was faster, because they
were able to make some instructions execute in fewer cycles, whereas
Intel went for speed, as speed was more marketable.
Not to say Intel is making bad stuff, but
it seems AMD has been fairly steadily popular with a lot of PC builders for several years.
Not to say Intel is making bad stuff, but it seems AMD has been fairly
steadily popular with a lot of PC builders for several years.
Intel has actually been making bad stuff for a while, unless you don't consider CPUs that fry themselves on their own "bad". I think it is 13th and 14th generation, which is two generations of botched chips.
Quoting Arelor to Nightfox <=-
Re: Intel: Once mighty, now falling?
By: Nightfox to All on Tue May 06 2025 09:54 pm
Not to say Intel is making bad stuff, but
it seems AMD has been fairly steadily popular with a lot of PC builders for several years.
Intel has actually been making bad stuff for a while, unless you don't consider CPUs that fry themselves on their own "bad". I think it is
13th and 14th generation, which is two generations of botched chips.
Older AMD CPU's actually did have hardware issues causing them to operate so hot that they would catch on fire and also fry the mobo. Note that I said 'older'.
It wasn't actually bad hardware.
Primarily the 13th and 14th generation CPU's using the Raptor Lake
platform, and the issues were software related not actual hardware
issues. The problem stemmed from a microcode algorithm that caused
elevated operating voltages leading to CPU degradation and crashes.
Once they patched the code the problems went away.
After 4 seasons, they'd done a lot of character building across the
board, and with the time jumps between seasons, you really feel like
there's a lot of history between them all. Well done.
I'd like to see a season 5 with a time jump to now, but it might be anticlimactic. I really just want to know they ended up alright.
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Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
Cougar428 wrote to ARELOR <=-
I don't buy it. We are already giving the IT industry too much leeway
to produce crappy products. Let them own their failures.
I would be happy to let them own their failure, like I said AMD chips
operated at such a high frequency to one up the competition that they
did actually catch fire. I guess if you never had it happen to you,
you would not appreciate the chaos.
I supported Dell systems for a bunch of years. We started seeing
failures with video failures on one model of laptop. Turned out the
system put out enough heat to make a video component on the
motherboard fail. Dell's solution, rather than re-engineering the
existing motherboards and sending replacements, was to put our a BIOS update that set the fan blowing at a much higher (and more annoying) speed. We were large enough that they sent us a shipment of
replacement systems with re-engineered motherboards to swap some of
them out, but we still had a lot of systems blowing hot air.
Those were bad times for Dell customers. About the same time, Dell Optiplexes began popping capacitors because of heat buildup. They got really good at swapping out motherboards.
Cougar428 wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Those were bad times for Dell customers. About the same time, Dell Optiplexes began popping capacitors because of heat buildup. They got really good at swapping out motherboards.
I remember replacing boards in quite a few GX280's.
Sounds like you were at a larger shop than me. I worked for
Computerland and would do factory service calls.
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