• Facebook & online stuff

    From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Nightfox on Tue May 20 08:19:00 2025
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    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Boraxman to Nightfox on
    Mon May 19 2025 10:25 pm

    When I went on holidays, I would just send group e-mails. Ironically, it was someone else going on holiday that made me go on Facebook originally. They said they would post updates there, so I signed up for that reason. They didn't end up posting much anyway!

    Some of my family used to send group emails. I don't think I've seen
    them do that since maybe 2011 though. I don't think I even know most
    of my family's email addresses. And it seems most people only use
    email for signing up for web sites & services these days.

    The email inbox is now like the letterbox. Just a place to receive spam and advertising.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Tue May 20 08:29:00 2025
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    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Nightfox to Boraxman on
    Sun May 18 2025 08:26 pm

    It's not that there's no other way to do it.. I feel like Facebook provides a way for people to post an update once, and everyone following them can see it. You could just call people, but I feel like it could be a hassle to repeat your news to each person individually.

    I've seen people also have group chats with their family these days too.. However, my family (and friends) don't do that.

    I think people who still have meaningful social contact in the real
    world has a blast when they get to talk to different groups of friends
    and tell them about great news, even if it means they have to repeat
    the news multiple times.

    You know, telling news, igniting a conversations, then repeating the process with a different group of friends.

    I don't think most people is extracting that sort of interaction from Social Media. You upload the photo, people clicks on "share" and "like" and make some inane comment (if any comment at all) and then moves to
    the next interesting thing.

    When I was on Social Media (during Covid), it just led to disagreements and arguments. Yes, I did message some people I had found that I hadn't gotten into
    contact with since school, but that never really got anywhere.

    It seems to me, that the younger generation do go out less. Socialise less. Have less real world interaction. I think this is evidence that Social Media probably doesn't bring people together.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Mon May 19 23:16:45 2025
    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Tue May 20 2025 08:29 am

    When I was on Social Media (during Covid), it just led to disagreements and arguments. Yes, I did message some people I had found that I hadn't gotten into
    contact with since school, but that never really got anywhere.

    It seems to me, that the younger generation do go out less. Socialise less. Have less real world interaction. I think this is evidence that Social Media probably doesn't bring people together.


    ... BoraxMan


    one thing i've noticed about myself is i no longer enjoy going out to restaurants or just to places. if it's a restaurant, i do take out. i am no longer in a relationship nor looking. i prefer to be alone. Since covid i have been in this type of pattern and it hasn't changed. not sure if i'm abnormal or if i've just decided that i dont have time for the other shit in life. i have had 2 common law wives that add up to over 20 years, so there's that. maybe i'm done with people.
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  • From jimmylogan@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Tue May 20 20:38:47 2025
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    The email inbox is now like the letterbox. Just a place to receive
    spam and advertising.

    The bulk of my inbox is junk. We still use it to communicate at work,
    but I tell the teachers, "if you want me to see it NOW, text me."


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to jimmylogan on Wed May 21 23:04:48 2025
    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: jimmylogan to Boraxman on Tue May 20 2025 08:38 pm

    Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-

    The email inbox is now like the letterbox. Just a place to receive spam and advertising.

    The bulk of my inbox is junk. We still use it to communicate at work,
    but I tell the teachers, "if you want me to see it NOW, text me."


    ... Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?

    My childrens schools will send multiple emails a week. Sometimes multiple a day, and each is the same. Its a message with a subject, and you have to click a link to go to a web page. The webpage has the first few lines or first paragraph, then you have to click "read more" to get the rremaining few lines.

    Why they don't just sent the text in the email itself is beyond me. Utterly ridiculous.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Wed May 21 13:27:34 2025
    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Tue May 20 2025 08:29 am

    It seems to me, that the younger generation do go out less. Socialise less. Have less real world interaction. I think this is evidence that Social Media probably doesn't bring people together.

    You are prety much correct in that people does not socialize much anymore. Every now and then some study pops out and shows loneliness statistics are up through the roof. I don't think Social Media in itself is to blame here, though.

    If you reach deep into serious studies about romantic relationships you find the trend is for romantic relationships to be tremendously unsatisfactory. There are a number of potential reasons they speculate as probable causes but what seems to be hard facts is people is not getting their expectations fulfilled and people does not want to put effort into the deal.

    If we think this sample is relatable to friendships and family relationships, it gets things explained IMO.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Thu May 22 08:08:00 2025
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    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on
    Tue May 20 2025 08:29 am

    It seems to me, that the younger generation do go out less. Socialise less. Have less real world interaction. I think this is evidence that Social Media probably doesn't bring people together.

    You are prety much correct in that people does not socialize much
    anymore. Every now and then some study pops out and shows loneliness statistics are up through the roof. I don't think Social Media in
    itself is to blame here, though.

    If you reach deep into serious studies about romantic relationships you find the trend is for romantic relationships to be tremendously unsatisfactory. There are a number of potential reasons they speculate
    as probable causes but what seems to be hard facts is people is not getting their expectations fulfilled and people does not want to put effort into the deal.

    If we think this sample is relatable to friendships and family
    Ar> relationships, it gets things explained IMO.

    I think social media is a big factor, but not the only one. The trend towards
    not going out, staying at home was known in the 90s. I recall someone talking
    of "cocooning" in the early 90s, where people were choosing to stay at home,
    eat in, etc, instead of going out. So it was talked about back then, and that
    was before the Internet became popular in households.

    One thing that struck me when I read "Crime and Punishment" was the
    relationship between Raskolnicok and Razhimihin (I think I spelled that
    right). They were friends, but the friendship was portrayed as something akin
    to a proper relationship. They were involved in each others lives. They
    didn't just "meet up" for a drink every now and then. Ancient Greek sources
    of friendship speak of it in similar ways.

    Is this trend towards unsatisfactory romantic relationships relatively recent,
    or a longer term trend? I can see how it is true but I'm interested in when
    it started.

    But I think you hit on something with effort. People seem to not prioritise
    human relationships. People are just 'objects' to pass the time with, from
    time to time. Another way to entertain yourself.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Thu May 22 21:25:00 2025
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    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Boraxman to jimmylogan on Wed May 21 2025 11:04 pm

    ... Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?

    My childrens schools will send multiple emails a week. Sometimes multiple a day, and each is the same. Its a message with a subject, and you have to click a link to go to a web page. The webpage has the first few lines or first paragraph, then you have to click "read more" to get the rremaining few lines.

    Why they don't just sent the text in the email itself is beyond me. Utterly ridiculous.


    is it because they are using some provider that does that for security?
    my credit union does that.

    They use a platform yes, but I have no idea how security factors in.
    These notifications aren't exactly sensitive information. They're
    things like notifications that students can order donuts on Friday.

    What they do, is they post the news on the platform, then send a
    notification there is news on the platform, with a link. Thats fine,
    but I can't for the life of me see why they don't also just put the
    text in that email. The news is literally just several sentences of
    plain text.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Thu May 22 14:04:28 2025
    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Thu May 22 2025 08:08 am

    not going out, staying at home was known in the 90s. I recall someone
    talking of "cocooning" in the early 90s, where people were choosing to stay at home,
    eat in, etc, instead of going out. So it was talked about back then, and
    that was before the Internet became popular in households.

    Kids in the 90s I grew up with would play soccer all afternoon long after homework. Usually they would play soccer all afternoon long skipping homework altogether.

    I think people in Spain still go out with outstanding frequency, but the nature of social interaction is specially shallow. People goes out specifically for getting drunk with others and that is what friends are good for. I don't think you can have friends who get interested in your life projects or who you get to help with their life projects anymore.


    Is this trend towards unsatisfactory romantic relationships relatively
    recent, or a longer term trend? I can see how it is true but I'm interested in when it started.

    It depends on how you define "recent". I think the first ones I read were 5 to 10 years old at the most. I remember thinking a lot of the secondary issues pointed out in those studies seemed linked to Tinder and Tinder-like dating applications.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Thu May 22 13:03:45 2025
    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Thu May 22 2025 02:04 pm

    nature of social interaction is specially shallow. People goes out specifically for getting drunk with others and that is what friends are good for. I don't think you can have friends who get interested in your life projects or who you get to help with their life projects anymore.

    I don't think that's necessarily true.. For me personally, I'm not really into drinking alcoholic beverages (I might have something with alcohol maybe once or twice in a year); also, I've seen other people help friends with life projects. So I think that still happens, at least where I am. But also, at the same time, people where I am have a tendency to say they'd like to meet up and do something in the future, but then they don't. But it probably depends on how close of a friend they are.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Fri May 23 08:00:00 2025
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    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on
    Thu May 22 2025 08:08 am

    not going out, staying at home was known in the 90s. I recall someone
    talking of "cocooning" in the early 90s, where people were choosing to stay at home,
    eat in, etc, instead of going out. So it was talked about back then, and
    that was before the Internet became popular in households.

    Kids in the 90s I grew up with would play soccer all afternoon long
    after homework. Usually they would play soccer all afternoon long
    skipping homework altogether.

    I think people in Spain still go out with outstanding frequency, but
    the nature of social interaction is specially shallow. People goes out specifically for getting drunk with others and that is what friends are good for. I don't think you can have friends who get interested in your life projects or who you get to help with their life projects anymore.


    Is this trend towards unsatisfactory romantic relationships relatively
    recent, or a longer term trend? I can see how it is true but I'm interested in when it started.

    It depends on how you define "recent". I think the first ones I read
    were 5 to 10 years old at the most. I remember thinking a lot of the secondary issues pointed out in those studies seemed linked to Tinder
    and Tinder-like dating applications.

    I've heard first had from people who had been in the dating scene a long, long time that these apps have indeed completely changed peoples expectations. They report exactly which this study said, that people aren't really looking for relationships. Its treated more like an online store where you can arrange a meal for the night or a one off visit.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Thu May 22 23:03:57 2025
    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri May 23 2025 08:00 am

    and Tinder-like dating applications.

    I've heard first had from people who had been in the dating scene a long, long time that these apps have indeed completely changed peoples expectations. They report exactly which this study said, that people aren't really looking for relationships. Its treated more like an online store where you can arrange a meal for the night or a one off visit.



    most of the people on the dating sites are married and looking to cheat. the single women are on the sugar daddy sites. sad times we live in.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Fri May 23 23:17:00 2025
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    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri May 23 2025 08:00 am

    and Tinder-like dating applications.

    I've heard first had from people who had been in the dating scene a long, long time that these apps have indeed completely changed peoples expectations. They report exactly which this study said, that people aren't really looking for relationships. Its treated more like an online store where you can arrange a meal for the night or a one off visit.



    most of the people on the dating sites are married and looking to
    cheat. the single women are on the sugar daddy sites. sad times we
    live in. ---

    There is a very thin line between the sugar daddy/sugar baby set up
    and prostitution. I would not object to them being treated as such.


    It's sad that we are so hyperfixated on policing and supressing any
    ever so slightly not-Politically Correct comment, while at the same
    time vigourously defending the right of degeneracy to continue without
    so much as a murmur of disapproval.

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to all on Fri May 23 10:49:56 2025
    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: MRO to Arelor on Wed May 21 2025 07:07 pm

    find the trend is for romantic relationships to be tremendously unsatisfactory. There are a number of potential reasons they speculate as probable causes but what seems to be hard facts is people is not getting their expectations fulfilled and people does not want to put effort into the deal.
    Nobody drives a car like it's owner.


    i'm surprised men are still getting into relationships. they have too much to lose. must be the hormones.

    I have been very lucky. 40+ years of marriage to the same woman. I wouldn't drink a glass of water that 30 people have stuck their finger in. But wouldn't blink an eye to drink a glass of water that I stuck my finger in 30 times.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Bogomips on Fri May 23 14:20:00 2025
    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Bogomips to all on Fri May 23 2025 10:49 am

    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: MRO to Arelor on Wed May 21 2025 07:07 pm

    find the trend is for romantic relationships to be tremendously unsatisfactory. There are a number of potential reasons they speculate as probable causes but what seems to be hard facts is people is not getting their expectations fulfilled and people does not want to put effort into the deal.

    Nobody drives a car like it's owner.




    is that a masturbation joke?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Bogomips on Fri May 23 14:20:51 2025
    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Bogomips to all on Fri May 23 2025 10:49 am

    I have been very lucky. 40+ years of marriage to the same woman. I wouldn't

    gross.

    most women cheat though, they love the attention.
    you might feel that way but she might not.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Fri May 23 15:28:21 2025
    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri May 23 2025 11:17 pm


    There is a very thin line between the sugar daddy/sugar baby set up
    and prostitution. I would not object to them being treated as such.


    is there a thin line? this is escorting. looks like the same thing
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Fri May 23 17:12:57 2025
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    I don't think that's necessarily true.. For me personally, I'm not
    really into drinking alcoholic beverages (I might have something with alcohol maybe once or twice in a year);

    I'm dieting, and was somewhat relieved to find out how easy it was to
    stop drinking. It's been a month or so, had a glass of champagne at my
    son's graduation. Not really felt an urge.

    I bought a six pack of beer this week, found one that's 20 calories, no
    alcohol and 2.5 grams of carbs. Tastes like if Bubly had a beer flavor.
    :)


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Sat May 24 12:45:00 2025
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    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri May 23 2025 11:17 pm


    There is a very thin line between the sugar daddy/sugar baby set up
    and prostitution. I would not object to them being treated as such.


    is there a thin line? this is escorting. looks like the same thing

    Probably wouldn't be considered prostition in a court of law, but that would just be a technical matter. For all intents and purposes, we know these women are selling their bodies for sex. Its just that there is a relationship component thinly painted on top.

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to MRO on Sat May 24 04:35:54 2025
    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: MRO to Bogomips on Fri May 23 2025 02:20 pm

    Nobody drives a car like it's owner.

    is that a masturbation joke?

    Consider it an, Off Hand, comment.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Sat May 24 12:30:55 2025
    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat May 24 2025 12:45 pm


    is there a thin line? this is escorting. looks like the same thing

    Probably wouldn't be considered prostition in a court of law, but that would just be a technical matter. For all intents and purposes, we know these women are selling their bodies for sex. Its just that there is a relationship component thinly painted on top.


    well the one i found, you have to pay them to meet up.
    i created a fake profile to see if i recognize any women in my area.
    I use an old veteran's photo. i get a lot of offers.
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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to NIGHTFOX on Sat May 24 06:43:00 2025
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    Yeah, I used to use my web space at my ISP. I didn't use it for
    sharing updates about myself though.. After I first started using the internet in 1995, I started learning how to make web pages and would
    use my ISP web space to store my work and share that. I made some
    basic web pages with misc. content I saw elsewhere online. I'd also sometimes use my web space to store files I wanted to share with other people.

    I miss program such as Microsoft Frontpage. It was one of the favorite apps
    I used to make websites in the late 90s/early 00s.

    Livejournal likely was the reason why I stopped making home made webpages.



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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to ARELOR on Sat May 24 07:00:00 2025
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    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Tue May 20 2025 08:29 am

    If you reach deep into serious studies about romantic relationships you find the trend is for romantic relationships to be tremendously unsatisfactory. There are a number of potential reasons they speculate
    as probable causes but what seems to be hard facts is people is not getting their expectations fulfilled and people does not want to put effort into the deal.

    I was reading articles that saying in the united kingdom virginity is increasing in their population. 1 in 8 people in the United Kingdom in their mid 20s never had sex.

    Maybe people are scared of rejection.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Sun May 25 11:04:00 2025
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    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat May 24 2025 12:45 pm


    is there a thin line? this is escorting. looks like the same thing

    Probably wouldn't be considered prostition in a court of law, but that would just be a technical matter. For all intents and purposes, we know these women are selling their bodies for sex. Its just that there is a relationship component thinly painted on top.


    well the one i found, you have to pay them to meet up.
    i created a fake profile to see if i recognize any women in my area.
    I use an old veteran's photo. i get a lot of offers.

    Oh, in that case, yeah, thats an escort service.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Matthew Munson on Sun May 25 16:15:52 2025
    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Matthew Munson to NIGHTFOX on Sat May 24 2025 06:43 am

    I miss program such as Microsoft Frontpage. It was one of the favorite apps I used to make websites in the late 90s/early 00s.

    I used some of those, though those WYSIWYG web designers always seemed to create much more complicated and bloated HTML than you'd make if you wrote the HTML directly. Also, the bloat would mean the web pages would take longer to load.

    Livejournal likely was the reason why I stopped making home made webpages.

    How so?

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Matthew Munson on Mon May 26 10:17:50 2025
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    I miss program such as Microsoft Frontpage. It was one of the favorite apps I used to make websites in the late 90s/early 00s.

    I worked for the company that bought Allaire Homesite, then killed it
    off. I loved that program and kept an older version running for years
    after its demise.

    Livejournal likely was the reason why I stopped making home made
    webpages.

    Oh, LJ was it's own rabbit hole of CSS, I remember tweaking custom page templates for hours!



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Matthew Munson on Tue May 27 11:56:38 2025
    Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: Matthew Munson to ARELOR on Sat May 24 2025 07:00 am

    I was reading articles that saying in the united kingdom virginity is increasing in their population. 1 in 8 people in the United Kingdom in their mid 20s never had sex.

    Maybe people are scared of rejection.


    I am not scared of rejection, and most people in my social circle is not scared of rejection, yet we don't chase women actively because we have other priorities.

    Women are huge resource sinks and require comittment most people is not willing to take... come to think of it, that is the most reasonable explanation I can come up with.

    From a rational point of view I cannot justify chasing a woman when I can be making money or expanding my harvesting area instead. And for people who is tight on resources it is not a matter of justification but of hard impossibility - they cannot pay the bidding price.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Fri May 30 07:51:07 2025
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    From a rational point of view I cannot justify chasing a woman when I
    can be making money or expanding my harvesting area instead. And for people who is tight on resources it is not a matter of justification
    but of hard impossibility - they cannot pay the bidding price.

    Work hard enough and you'll attrace members of the opposite sex with
    your large, expansive tracts of land! No chasing required!



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Wed Jun 4 17:13:41 2025
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    will spend more resources in them. For no other reason that if your
    idea of fun is participating in scythe contests you must be a borying bloke with no personallity, of course.

    Sounds like you're chasing the wrong women... I know a couple of
    historical re-enactors who might be interested in a scythe contest...



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 6 05:41:28 2025
    Re: Re: Facebook & online stuff
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Wed Jun 04 2025 05:13 pm


    Sounds like you're chasing the wrong women... I know a couple of
    historical re-enactors who might be interested in a scythe contest...


    I am just not chasing.

    Last one didn't work out, I think she was jealeous because her horse liked me more than he liked her. \o/


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