Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Mon May 12 2025 10:01 pm

How many lies have you told?

honesty is the best policy. also i dont give a fuck so i tell the truth.
only time i 'lied' is in joking when it's obvious, and that doesn't count.

Have you ever taken something that didn't belong to you?

only download movies and tv shows.

Blaspheme?

that's bible shit. i'm ok with god.

Lust?

not really.

anyways, i'm all about god but fuck religion. that's just man's way of doing their usual bullshit.
also jesus was an alien.
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Maybe we need a Christianity sub...

The religion sub seems to be mostly empty so why create a new one?

Here's where I can try cross posting with SLMR ... not really cross
posting like Usenet, maybe there's a better word for it ...

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jcurtis to JIMMYLOGAN on Mon May 19 2025 05:23 pm

I don't think anyone else is forced to read or respond to mine.

When the boss says they're in the wrong place it doesn't matter what we think.

well you are new here and you don't need to speak for him.

i'm sure he does take into consideration about what we think.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: jimmylogan to Jcurtis on Mon May 19 2025 02:52 pm

I sincerely hope no one has read any of my posts and thought I
was trying to harass people. I see MANY many messages on BBS's and
just pass right on by. No one is forcing me to read or respond to
anything, and I don't think anyone else is forced to read or respond
to mine.

That being said, I thought we were all having a polite discourse.

Nobody was being harassed, and nobody thought they were being harassed. That one guy is just parroting what he's been shown over the years: Religion must be attacked. The only problem i saw was people weren't taking it to religious sub when they should have. ---

Moving this one too, even though the comments themselves are very
general... Now that I know not only that I CAN, but also HOW to
move the reply. :-)



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Cougar428 wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-

I sincerely hope no one has read any of my posts and thought I
was trying to harass people. I see MANY many messages on BBS's and
just pass right on by. No one is forcing me to read or respond to anything, and I don't think anyone else is forced to read or respond
to mine.

That being said, I thought we were all having a polite discourse.

Easy, easy Jimmy no one is saying you were rabid, just having a polite
discourse in the wrong forum. You're right, no one is forced to read
posts. It's just easier to disregard them if they are in a message
area
that they actually represent.

Have a wonderful day!

LOL - okay - I wasn't offended; I was concerned I had accidently
offended someone else. :-)

But now I know how to move them - like this one! :-)



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Jcurtis wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-

We have eyewitness accounts that corroborate the existence of Jesus
the Christ. He claimed to BE God and said He would die and rise again
after three days in the ground. He did this - again, eyewitness
accounts corroborate this.

If He managed to do this, then His claim of being God is legit.

Not even Jesus could resurrect himself. The Father gave him life again. The Trinity doctrine is nonsense.

John 1:18, 14:28, etc.

Churches use the Bible, but add their own ideas to it. The church of Paul's time is hard to find today.

I appreciate the reply, but I'd encourage you to look again at what
Jesus said about Himself. No one takes my life from me, but I lay it
down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority
to take it up again. John 10:18

Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. John 14:9

Jesus didn't just say He was a servant of God. He claimed divine
authority. And the eyewitness accounts confirm He rose just as He
said He would.

You mentioned the Trinity being nonsense, but that truth wasn't
invented later. It is rooted in Jesus' own words, and it was
affirmed by the early church long before councils and denominations:

The Apostles Creed (2nd century) says I believe in Jesus Christ,
His only Son, our Lord who was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended to the dead. On the third day He rose again.

Not a man resurrected by God, but God the Son acting in unity with
the Father and the Spirit just as He always said He would.

Of course, "The Trinity" is just a descriptor. My claim is that
Jesus is just as much God as the one we call the Father. God
exists outside of time, space, and matter, so to be born as a
man, He had to step out of eternity while still remaining in
eternity.



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Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-

We have eyewitness accounts that corroborate the existence of Jesus
the Christ. He claimed to BE God and said He would die and rise again
after three days in the ground. He did this - again, eyewitness
accounts corroborate this.

If He managed to do this, then His claim of being God is legit.

I understand the argument, but I have a book which has eyewitness
accounts of aliens. So...

Yep, and I believe they saw something. I don't believe it came
from another planet, but if enough people say they saw something,
then I believe they did.

Here's the difference: They saw something, but with no explanation
of what it was so they filled in the blanks with their own imagination.

If they had been communicated with by the "aliens" and told where
they came from, there's no way to corroborate that. They can claim
to be from Beta Reticuli (or whatever that place was called), and
there's no way to prove it. Jesus, on the other hand, proved what
He said by doing what He said He would do.

The aliens are a whole different conversation - which I'm happy
to have. :-)




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My claim is that Jesus is just as much God as the one we call the
Father.

Church dogma.

The Bible says otherwise. Colossians 1:15. And the other 2 verses
already noted. If you care to read them.


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to jimmylogan on Tue May 20 2025 10:16 pm

If He managed to do this, then His claim of being God is legit.

I understand the argument, but I have a book which has eyewitness accounts of aliens. So...

Are you saying any eyewitness accounts of aliens should be assumed to be false?

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to jimmylogan on
Tue May 20 2025 10:16 pm

If He managed to do this, then His claim of being God is legit.

I understand the argument, but I have a book which has eyewitness accounts of aliens. So...

Are you saying any eyewitness accounts of aliens should be assumed to
be false?

I'm saying that many exist. Make of that what you will.

People have also been known to remember things incorrectly, and sometimes, to make things up.

I suspect there have been times in history where people have been dishonest or just made stuff up.


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Jcurtis wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-

My claim is that Jesus is just as much God as the one we call the
Father.

Church dogma.

The Bible says otherwise. Colossians 1:15. And the other 2 verses
already noted. If you care to read them.

Did, and this one too. Next verse says all things were created
by Him. But Gen 1:1 says this was God.



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The Bible says otherwise. Colossians 1:15. And the other 2 verses already noted. If you care to read them.

Did, and this one too. Next verse says all things were created
by Him. But Gen 1:1 says this was God.

All things except himself.

"Firstborn" means created. By the Father. Son and Father are not the
same. When Jesus said they are "one" He didn't mean the same.

Father = eternal
Son = created

The words father and son are easy to understand. But people like their
church dogma.


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Jcurtis wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-

The Bible says otherwise. Colossians 1:15. And the other 2 verses already noted. If you care to read them.

Did, and this one too. Next verse says all things were created
by Him. But Gen 1:1 says this was God.

All things except himself.

"Firstborn" means created. By the Father. Son and Father are not the
same. When Jesus said they are "one" He didn't mean the same.

Father = eternal
Son = created

The words father and son are easy to understand. But people like their church dogma.

John 3:16 says "only begotten." Strong's Concordance lists it as
monogenŽ“s (G3439), meaning "only born" or "sole." I take that to
mean unique, one of a kind, not replicated. But not created in
the way we think of creation.

Here's how I understand it: God is eternal. He exists outside time,
space, and matter. So when He chose to "inject" Himself into His
own creation, He did so through a physical expression - Jesus (Yeshua).
This wasn't the "start" of the Son, but the manifestation of God
in physical form.

I believe the terms "Father" and "Son" are descriptors for our
benefit - to help us grasp a truth that is beyond our experience.
It doesn't mean one came before the other. It's not "created" the
way created things are. It is God, revealing Himself to us.

That's my belief and understanding from my reading and
studying. It does not come from church dogma.

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